Have I seen The New Jerusalem?

[ahinton]

I don't relish a war with Iceland either ..............

This might be an interesting idea that the Irish and French might have something to say about
"Establish an ‘Exclusive Economic Zone’ extending 200 nautical miles from the UK’s coastline over which the UK exerts total control"

So that's the siege of Dublin then .............no wonder they want to spend so much on the armed forces

And those of Saints Helier, Peter Port, Malo and Brieuc, not to mention Douglas, Calais, Caen, Cherbourg and various others in the low countries and - er - Germany; Britain at war with Germany - now there's a novel concept! And why only nautical miles when, in many instances, land is involved?

Mr Pee presumably supports UKIP in principle but appears to take a quite opposite view of defence spending than UKIP does; he is to be commended for that, at the very least.

All depends on what you mean by "many"
and who they are
where they are from etc etc etc

You can probably find some actors in white coats in "Laboratoire Garnier" who will tell you that your Chi needs to be aligned to face the rising sun...... but I'm not sure that I would trust what they say.

Quite. The certainties here are as I have expressed them, although there can be no doubt that different scientists so far take different views of the extent of each individual cause of climate change.

[french frank]

Which is a view many scientists share these days.

Most don't.

Rather like Flossie's mention of Hitler, comparing Farage to Griffin is cheap, predictable, and irrelevant.

Predictable in that they both share the same areas of interest and hold similar views.

and this includes poor pay, well below police and other emergency services, and accomodation, some of which is barely fit for human habitation... to save money- would sometimes have no heating in the winter, as well as a hot water system that was about as reliable as a Lib Dem manifesto. It was not unknown to go for weeks at a time without a hot shower.

Some people have to live like that anyway - and it's not voluntary for them. An argument that was based strictly on national defence need might carry more weight.

Of course, if we weren't ploughing billions of pounds into the corrupt and nearly bankrupt EU, perhaps we would be able to spend it on more useful areas. Such as defence and tax cuts.

We get billions back, plus the business with other EU countries. That's the 'many scientists' argument again (= 'I can name ten scientists...'). When a cost is put upon the corruption, it doesn't take into account that it's a tiny percentage of the EU budget, shared among many. Look at the politics of those who constantly inflate the problem - either the amount of 'corruption' or the 'greedy lawyers' making their money by fighting it. As is pointed out by the EU itself, which recognises the problem, corruption is often linked to other serious crime which the EU states fight by cooperating with each other. Very fortunate, of course, that there is no corruption and no serious organised crime in the UK ...

Tax cuts help those who pay tax, not those who fall below the tax limit.

[ahinton]

I think the first three are a bit OTT, Mr GG, but I certainly agree with the last. He can be extremely offensive probably best illustrated by his appalling personal attack on the wholly inoffensive van Rompuy in the European Parliament. As a 'ranter and raver' he has only probably been exceeded in recent times by Ian Paisley Snr and Denis Skinner.

He is the Little Englander of all Little Englanders which is why he is their leader. He seems to have no serious rivals in the Party who can rabble-rouse the troops and in that (if only that) he shares a striking similarity to Alex Salmond, leader of the SNP.

Hopefully both Farage and his Party will have been shunted once again to the fringes of UK politics after the next General Election. Surely that is their proper place given the stark reality of a globalised world order.

That is my fervent hope, at any rate.

The 200 nautical mile zone, if implemented, would surely come to make quite a mockery of an independent Scotland following next year's referendum, assuming that it will take place and find in favour of independence (which, of course, it might not) - or hasn't Nigel Barrage thought of that? (and he of all people should have done, since his origins are thought to be Scottish).

[ahinton]

Most don't.

Predictable in that they both share the same areas of interest and hold similar views.
Some people have to live like that anyway - and it's not voluntary for them. An argument that was based strictly on national defence need might carry more weight.

We get billions back, plus the business with other EU countries. That's the 'many scientists' argument again (= 'I can name ten scientists...'). When a cost is put upon the corruption, it doesn't take into account that it's a tiny percentage of the EU budget, shared among many. Look at the politics of those who constantly inflate the problem - either the amount of 'corruption' or the 'greedy lawyers' making their money by fighting it. As is pointed out by the EU itself, which recognises the problem, corruption is often linked to other serious crime which the EU states fight by cooperating with each other. Very fortunate, of course, that there is no corruption and no serious organised crime in the UK ...

Tax cuts help those who pay tax, not those who fall below the tax limit.

Thus the voice of reason once more; well said!

[Nick Armstrong]

Hitler wanted a united Europe...

It's true...

[MrGongGong]

What is a little dangerous about this one man band is that the "common sense" stuff appeals to those who are attracted to simple homespun ideas.
It's a classic politicians ruse , big up the things which you think are wrong......... and then offer a simple solution
Billy Graham suggested we all turn to Jesus
and in a similar way rude Nige tells us that it's all the fault of johnny foreigner
The kippers seem to believe that you can get divorced and still have sex with your ex wife on a regular basis.......

[jean]

...When a cost is put upon the corruption, it doesn't take into account that it's a tiny percentage of the EU budget, shared among many. Look at the politics of those who constantly inflate the problem - either the amount of 'corruption' or the 'greedy lawyers' making their money by fighting it...

It's interesting to note in this context that Marta Andreasen, the accountant who raised questions about EU finances and subsequently became a UKIP MEP, has now left the party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_Andreasen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21555727

[ahinton]

What is a little dangerous about this one man band is that the "common sense" stuff appeals to those who are attracted to simple homespun ideas.

Whilst I take your point in principle, it hasn't resulted in UKIP winning a single Parliamentary seat in more than two decades.

It's a classic politicians ruse , big up the things which you think are wrong......... and then offer a simple solution
Billy Graham suggested we all turn to Jesus
and in a similar way rude Nige tells us that it's all the fault of johnny foreigner

All sadly true.

The kippers seem to believe that you can get divorced and still have sex with your ex wife on a regular basis.......

I don't know about that (it's never been in their manifesto, has it?) but, if true, the party presumably refuses membership to Roman Catholics and probably drives them away from voting for it (what does scotty think about that?)...

[MrGongGong]

Whilst I take your point in principle, it hasn't resulted in UKIP winning a single Parliamentary seat in more than two decades.
.

Indeed
I think it's more a case of

This year .............1 vote
Next....................2 votes

LOOK it's an increase in support of 100%

Though if we actually had fair votes I wonder what it would be ?

and (I have said this before so sorry about this) ........ if they (or rather HE as there is only one now that Kilroy has gone ........oops) REALLY cared about "democratic accountability" then they would be actively campaigning for the abolition of the monarchy, getting rid of the unelected folk in the House of Lords and so on

[ahinton]

Indeed
I think it's more a case of

This year .............1 vote
Next....................2 votes

LOOK it's an increase in support of 100%

Though if we actually had fair votes I wonder what it would be ?

and (I have said this before so sorry about this) ........ if they (or rather HE as there is only one now that Kilroy has gone ........oops) REALLY cared about "democratic accountability" then they would be actively campaigning for the abolition of the monarchy, getting rid of the unelected folk in the House of Lords and so on

Had they done that, the outcome would probably have been a case of
This year .............2 votes
Next....................1 vote
LOOK it's all the fault of demographic changes foisted upon us all by the last lot!

[Flosshilde]

Originally Posted by Mr Pee
Which is a view many scientists share these days.

All depends on what you mean by "many"
and who they are
where they are from etc etc etc

& who pays them.

[Richard Barrett]

By the way can anyone come up with the name of one credible scientist - ie. who isn't being paid by the oil industry or whatever - who says that climate change "probably isn't a problem"? If it really isn't a problem why are ExxonMobil and other firms paying millions of dollars to have "scholarly" articles written which are critical of the overwhelming consensus among scientists that it is? (just as the tobacco industry tried for decades to deny the link between smoking and the diseases it causes)

[MrGongGong]

By the way can anyone come up with the name of one credible scientist -

I'm sure mrPee can
after all he is in possession of the green clarinet of truth ........ erm

[ahinton]

By the way can anyone come up with the name of one credible scientist - ie. who isn't being paid by the oil industry or whatever - who says that climate change "probably isn't a problem"? If it really isn't a problem why are ExxonMobil and other firms paying millions of dollars to have "scholarly" articles written which are critical of the overwhelming consensus among scientists that it is? (just as the tobacco industry tried for decades to deny the link between smoking and the diseases it causes)

The only credible answer to that question is NO.

[Thropplenoggin]

I am happy to report that the OP, having stumbled in drunk from the pub and mistaken this forum for the 'comment' section on The Daily Mail, has now found his way safely back there now.

As you were.