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  • amateur51

    #16
    Originally posted by Stillhomewardbound View Post
    If I can invite Vile Consort and Eine thingamy bob to actually visit the link I've posted and peruse that site, in depth, then you might get a better sense of what one is grieving for.

    Nowhere, on any one site was there such a versatility of television studios. From the esteemed NO.1 studio, equal to a medium sized film stage, down to the mini-studios occupied by the likes of the weather and continuity departments. Truly, it was unique, and we are not talking here a sentimentality about some bricks and mortar, because there does come a point where something special is built up and it achieves a being in a physical sense.

    It's an argument, alas, that I am making too late in the day. The letters B-B-C are merely an affixable label, now. Yes, you can slap it on a televisual waste bin, but what difference does that make. It was that which went on within the walls of Television Centre that made it the special place it was.

    There was such an amazing concentration of talent there, and, as Alan Bennett has noted, he could delivera script to Innes Lloyd of a morning and six week's later have been sat at home of an evening watching his words rendered as a dramatic reality.

    Well, that was only possible because of a unique, bespoke factory that rested close by the A40 in West London. Alas, it will go the way now of other notable, one time greats.

    Indeed, isn't it on that same carriageway that you'll pass by the old Hoover building? Now backed by a supermarket, though I haven't a clue which supermarket, be it Tescos, Sainsburys or the Co-OP. Anyway, it's just a supermarket now, and yet, so successful and dependable did Hoover become in the UK & Ireland, that the very name entered our lexicon as a generic term for vacumning. Literally, it was unbeatable. They even had the slogan to prove it ... It beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans.

    You see, supermarkets are only traders of other producers' commodities, whereas it was the ingenuity and industry behind the Hoover facade on the A40 that produced an unbeatable product. That's why we should lament the decommissioning of Television Centre. Great things were made here. Moments that touched us deeply, kept us laughing through dark days and provided us with broadcasting that reflected and gave us an inherent sense of who we were as a people.

    You don't get that from a supermarket. You don't get that from a generic product with a BBC tag slapped on the front.

    It's what went on behind the facade that mattered and now that's gone and our culture will be the poorer for it.
    Very well put, shb *poot*

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    • amateur51

      #17
      Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
      You appear to grossly underestimate the value of supermarkets.

      Manufacturing and retail depend on each other. No point in making things if there is no slick and competitive distribution system, which requires its very own expertise. That even applies to some forms of Art. like concerts and plays.

      There is not much you can't buy from supermarkets these days and they are essential to most of us, not least the poorer in society. If supermarkets suddenly ceased to exist most of us would probably starve to death as the remaining rump of small retail shops couldn't cope.

      If the BBC ceased to exist that would be a huge blow to many of us but we would survive and very likely a new company would eventually emerge in any case.

      I can well understand those with long and happy memories of a particular venue are sad at its passing. However, if there is no more need for its existence it doesn't make much sense to keep it going, that is the reality.

      If supermarkets are popular (which they appear to be) they will spring up all over the place just like the cinemas of the early 20th Century. Maybe that is also the reality?
      A clever argument, scotty but you don't seem to be as keen to extend the same insight to an institution based in Rome

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      • Vile Consort
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 696

        #18
        Frankly, I don't think TV culture can get any poorer than it is at the moment, especially the BBC's bit of it. I haven't got a TV, but I scan the iPlayer a couple of times a week in the hope of finding something worth watching. This is something of a triumph of hope over experience because most weeks there isn't anything.

        I would also add that, if the story is actually about the loss of a state-of-the-art production facility, then BBC News have done a piss-poor job of getting it across. What we've actually had is a load of people saying how nice it was to work there, which just comes over as self-indulgent.

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        • amateur51

          #19
          Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
          Frankly, I don't think TV culture can get any poorer than it is at the moment, especially the BBC's bit of it. I haven't got a TV, but I scan the iPlayer a couple of times a week in the hope of finding something worth watching. This is something of a triumph of hope over experience because most weeks there isn't anything.

          I would also add that, if the story is actually about the loss of a state-of-the-art production facility, then BBC News have done a piss-poor job of getting it across. What we've actually had is a load of people saying how nice it was to work there, which just comes over as self-indulgent.
          Sour words from one who I assume does not pay for a TV licence, VC. Friends who watch television in France, Italy, Spain and USA all tell me that our television is still light years ahead.

          There are so many other calls on our leisure time these days that we have to be very discriminating, which can be a pain as well as a joy. Like VC I use the iPlayer a lot but I pay my fee because I feel that it is a tremendous bargain and my life would be much the poorer without it.

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          • Stillhomewardbound
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1109

            #20
            Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
            You appear to grossly underestimate the value of supermarkets.

            Manufacturing and retail depend on each other. No point in making things if there is no slick and competitive distribution system, which requires its very own expertise. That even applies to some forms of Art. like concerts and plays.

            There is not much you can't buy from supermarkets these days and they are essential to most of us, not least the poorer in society. If supermarkets suddenly ceased to exist most of us would probably starve to death as the remaining rump of small retail shops couldn't cope.

            If the BBC ceased to exist that would be a huge blow to many of us but we would survive and very likely a new company would eventually emerge in any case.

            I can well understand those with long and happy memories of a particular venue are sad at its passing. However, if there is no more need for its existence it doesn't make much sense to keep it going, that is the reality.

            If supermarkets are popular (which they appear to be) they will spring up all over the place just like the cinemas of the early 20th Century. Maybe that is also the reality?

            I'm not sure where I'm supposed to have set out the position 'BBC good, supermarkets bad'. Clearly, that is not the analogy I make. Yes, I do compare the BBC, as a former innovative and original producer, to supermarkets as simple retailers. That is not to suggest the need of one over the other.

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37628

              #21
              Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
              You appear to grossly underestimate the value of supermarkets.

              Manufacturing and retail depend on each other. No point in making things if there is no slick and competitive distribution system, which requires its very own expertise. That even applies to some forms of Art. like concerts and plays.

              There is not much you can't buy from supermarkets these days and they are essential to most of us, not least the poorer in society. If supermarkets suddenly ceased to exist most of us would probably starve to death as the remaining rump of small retail shops couldn't cope.

              If the BBC ceased to exist that would be a huge blow to many of us but we would survive and very likely a new company would eventually emerge in any case.

              I can well understand those with long and happy memories of a particular venue are sad at its passing. However, if there is no more need for its existence it doesn't make much sense to keep it going, that is the reality.

              If supermarkets are popular (which they appear to be) they will spring up all over the place just like the cinemas of the early 20th Century. Maybe that is also the reality?
              What SHB was referring to was an uniqueness that certainly can't be applied to supermarkets, any more than to reproductions of the Mona Lisa.

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              • salymap
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5969

                #22
                Well said S_A

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                • Old Grumpy
                  Full Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 3601

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  I wasn't being sexist. It was just an example.
                  My remark was, as they say TFIC! If there are presenters who are irreplaceable then Charlotte Green may be an example - ironic perhaps that she is now being snapped up by CFM

                  OG

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