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  • Historian
    Full Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 642

    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
    Can't vote for either of them here
    Even if you could, it would be unlikely to make much difference under 'first past the post'.

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      Originally posted by Historian View Post
      Haven't checked in detail but according to the brief BBC manifesto guide, Respect wants to end conversion of schools into academies. The Greens want to bring free schools and academies under the local authority system. As to whether either of them would require all schools to follow the National Curriculum, I do not know.

      Edit; Looking at the Greens' manifesto in more detail they are against a 'strict curriculum', but they do want 'A broad, balanced and enriching curriculum, including creative and vocational areas'.
      Looking at the UKIP's manifesto they want to ad first aid to the national curriculum, developing a 'diploma in basic life saving skills' like the French do.

      And looking further into the UKIP's manifesto, as well as supporting schools to become grammar schools, they want to copy Germany and the Netherlands by developing 'vocational schools' to focus on children's practical skills.

      So there seems to be quite a lot about for those interested in being unshackled from the national curriculum (at least from the Greens, Respect and the UKIP)

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      • Richard Barrett

        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
        like the French do (...) copy Germany and the Netherlands
        Aren't those... well... "European" countries?

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        • Flosshilde
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7988

          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Looking at the UKIP's manifesto ... they want to copy Germany and the Netherlands by developing 'vocational schools' to focus on children's practical skills.
          Secondary Moderns, in other words? All part of their 'back to the future' programme.

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            Aren't those... well... "European" countries?
            Indeed. I think you'll find that the UKIP are against the EU, but are quite keen on Europe

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            • MrGongGong
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              as well as supporting schools to become grammar schools,


              "small boys, jumpers for goalposts"

              This being but one of their ridiculous ideas that fly in the face of evidence and research
              but, hey, why not give free beer and pies to everyone while you are at it ........

              Back to the basement then

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post


                "small boys, jumpers for goalposts"

                This being but one of their ridiculous ideas that fly in the face of evidence and research
                but, hey, why not give free beer and pies to everyone while you are at it ........

                Back to the basement then
                On the contrary, children do better in a rigorous thriving learning environment. It's no good complaining about these schools if you've benefitted, but underachieved. Let someone else have the chance.

                Edit: and speaking of goalposts, isn't it about time you learned something about football. People that don't like football shouldn't be trusted.

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                • MrGongGong
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  On the contrary, children do better in a rigorous thriving environment. It's no good complaining about these schools if you've benefitted, but underachieved. Let someone else have the chance.
                  Skating on thin ice matey

                  "rigorous thriving environment"

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20570

                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post


                    "small boys, jumpers for goalposts"

                    This being but one of their ridiculous ideas that fly in the face of evidence and research
                    but, hey, why not give free beer and pies to everyone while you are at it ........

                    Back to the basement then
                    Perhaps we should bring back fagging, the cane and the workhouse.

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                    • MrGongGong
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      Perhaps we should bring back fagging, the cane and the workhouse.
                      It's on the list I suspect

                      (actually one lot DO want to bring back the second of these )

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        But I would like a reincarnation of Bamber Gascoigne on University Challenge.

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                        • Beef Oven!
                          Ex-member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          Perhaps we should bring back fagging, the cane and the workhouse.
                          Fagging is open to abuse, so I can't agree with you on that one. The workhouse? I'd say no. Caning. Possibly. It certainly helped keep us lot in check.

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            But I would like a reincarnation of Bamber Gascoigne on University Challenge.
                            Ask P G to have a word with the man in the frock?

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                            • MrGongGong
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 18357

                              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                              Caning. Possibly. It certainly helped keep us lot in check.
                              Is it only for "non Doms" ?

                              Yeah right let's institutionalise child abuse, can't see any problem there

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                              • Beef Oven!
                                Ex-member
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 18147

                                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                                Is it only for "non Doms" ?

                                Yeah right let's institutionalise child abuse, can't see any problem there
                                I was caned a few times, didn't think it was abuse. It was a different time. Lots of things that were alright then, but perhaps not now. Stop being a drama queen.

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