University Challenge

[DracoM]

Great quote, ardcarp.
Not so much the one about Horlicks but...........you get my drift...

[Serial_Apologist]

Great quote, ardcarp.
Not so much the one about Horlicks but...........you get my drift...

A Right Horlicks would be a good description of both the Remain and Leave campaigns.

[ardcarp]

Clever to sneak that one in, SA !!!

[Nick Armstrong]

Her eyebrows have been causing quite a stir, even Sir Roger Moore has commented on Twitter...they have their own twitter site....extensive coverage in today's Times

And have caused comment among our French cousins....

[ardcarp]

I am amused how in France, male Chauvinism is not seen as out of order, hence:

Capitaine de son équipe, cette étudiante n’est pas qu’intelligente. Elle fait aussi fantasmer tous les hommes grâce à son sourcil gauche qui est… arqué !


In France last year my 15 year old grand-daughter walked up from the beach to a cafe in her bikini. A couple of Ancient Bretons sipping their Pastis ogled her, and one was heard to mutter 'Elle est presque nue!'. This came as quite a shock to her as, elegant though she is, she is (or was) delightfully unaware of the effect she might be having.

[jean]

Delightfully seems an odd word to use here.

[Pulcinella]

Delightfully seems an odd word to use here.

Why?
Would you prefer blissfully?
Surely ardcarp means unselfconsciously, which he considers a delightful quality of said granddaughter?

[jean]

I'm sure that's what he meant. I find it disquieting all the same - the girl the unwitting object of the male gaze, twice over.

[Sir Velo]

Delightfully seems an odd word to use here.

So, are we to presume that you would prefer the age of innocence to have ended earlier?

[jean]

Depends on what you mean by the age of innocence.

Innocence surrounded by prurience may be delightful, but it's perilous for the innocent.

Have we learnt nothing from the Savile affair?

[MrGongGong]

Depends on what you mean by the age of innocence.

Innocence surrounded by prurience may be delightful, but it's perilous for the innocent.

Have we learnt nothing from the Savile affair?

Just be thankful that MrP is no longer with us.....

[Serial_Apologist]

So, are we to presume that you would prefer the age of innocence to have ended earlier?

You mean between Lady Chatterley and the Beatles' first LP?

[vinteuil]

I'm sure that's what he meant. I find it disquieting all the same - the girl the unwitting object of the male gaze, twice over.

... I think it unrealistic to imagine that an 'elegant' (to quote her grandfather) fifteen year old girl clad in a bikini would not be the object of the male (or female) gaze. Is it the fact that the girl is 'unwitting' in this scenario the factor which disquiets you?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

... I think it unrealistic to imagine that an 'elegant' (to quote her grandfather) fifteen year old girl clad in a bikini would not be the object of the male (or female) gaze. Is it the fact that the girl is 'unwitting' in this scenario the factor which disquiets you?

I wouldn't've chosen "innocent" any more than I would regard an eighty-year-old living on their own letting a stranger in to read the Gas Meter as "innocent". Neither the 15-year-old nor the 80-odd-year-old are "guilty" or "provocative" or "stupid" or in any way "responsible" for the potential consequences of their actions: it's the culprits who exploit such "unwitting" behaviour who are entirely at fault. I think "unwitting" is just about right.

[vinteuil]

I think "unwitting" is just about right.

... o, I am not disagreeing that 'unwitting' might be the right word. My question was more, wherein lies the 'disquiet' which Jean feels?