Gay marriage thread

[jean]

I think it is a valid point to raise the issue of discrimination against heterosexuals regarding CPs. The whole argument in favour of 'gay marriage' is based on 'equality' so that alone proves the argument to be quite false.

You and Peter Tatchell both:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/26/peter-tatchell-the-equal-marriage-bill-is-commendable-but-flawed/

But it's so obvious that 'civil partnership' was a term devised because there were those not quite yet ready for the term 'marriage' to be officially allowed to gay people that arguments based on 'equality' are spurious.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

we all "Know" that people are either one thing or another

Quite so. Today I am "one thing", but tomorrow is "another" day.

[amateur51]

Quite so. Today I am "one thing", but tomorrow is "another" day.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I suspect that Bennett probably speaks for the majority of gay people who just wish to quietly get on with their lives rather than the politically motivated and loud minority who so often drown out such voices of reason and moderation.

But, even if your "suspicion" is correct, Mr Pee, what difference does it make? The demand even of a minority of a minority (if it is that) to have equal rights with the majority isn't a matter for number-counting, is it? How many Gay couples wanting to get married would you consider necessary to make it a "legitimate" demand?

[scottycelt]

So where do bisexual men and bisexual women fit into your neatly codified little world, each with their own set of rules, scotty?

Catholicism does seem to thrive on bureaucracy, it would seem

I've answered that one before, amsey ... you really should pay more attention.

'Bisexual' men and women simply need to make up their minds if they wish to marry or form CPs. If not they cannot do either because presumably there would need to be more than two in the Marriage/CP?

Maybe that's the next thing on the agenda courtesy of the 'equality' social engineers ... ?

[Richard Barrett]

'Bisexual' men and women simply need to make up their minds if they wish to marry or form CPs. If not they cannot do either because presumably there would need to be more than two in the Marriage/CP?

Why do you put bisexual in inverted commas?

[MrGongGong]

Why do you put bisexual in inverted commas?

It's because they are "conflicted"

[amateur51]

But, even if your "suspicion" is correct, Mr Pee, what difference does it make? The demand even of a minority of a minority (if it is that) to have equal rights with the majority isn't a matter for number-counting, is it? How many Gay couples wanting to get married would you consider necessary to make it a "legitimate" demand?

Alan Bennett, admirable person tho he is in many ways, was never a stalwart of Gay Liberation from the 70s unlike his colleague in Beyond the Fringe Dr Jonathan Miller who was a loyal supporter of CHE.

I don't look to Bennett for radical gestures, which I suspect suits us both fine

[amateur51]

I've answered that one before, amsey ... you really should pay more attention.

'Bisexual' men and women simply need to make up their minds if they wish to marry or form CPs. If not they cannot do either because presumably there would need to be more than two in the Marriage/CP?

Maybe that's the next thing on the agenda courtesy of the 'equality' social engineers ... ?

And celibacy for priests is not 'social engineering' scotty Look where that's got us

[MrGongGong]

What is a bit sad about this whole discussion IMV
is that a while ago when all the stuff "came out" about the Scottish Cardinal
there seemed to be a glimmer of intelligence
but alas the claws hold tight and out Caledonian friend is now
back in the same old place that has caused so much pain and suffering
to so many people defending the church at all costs.........

[Flosshilde]

By them having the option not to be Catholics, one supposes.

I thought it was 'once a Catholic, always a Catholic' - no choice about it.

[Flosshilde]

One of the arguments for same-sex marriage is that if one person in a marriage undergoes gender re-assignment they wouldn't have to divorce & then have a civil partnership (a cruel requirement). However, as the CC doesn't recognise divorce, that must mean that the couple, now two men, or two women, would be in a same-sex marriage.

[Julien Sorel]

I thought it was 'once a Catholic, always a Catholic' - no choice about it.

Germany's Roman Catholics are to be denied the right to Holy Communion or religious burial if they stop paying a special church tax.

A German bishops' decree which has just come into force says anyone failing to pay the tax - an extra 8% of their income tax bill - will no longer be considered a Catholic.

The bishops have been alarmed by the number of Catholics leaving the Church.


This decree makes clear that one cannot partly leave the Church," Germany's bishops' conference said last week, in a decision endorsed by the Vatican.

Unless they pay the religious tax, Catholics will no longer be allowed receive sacraments, except before death, or work in the church and its schools or hospitals.

Without a "sign of repentance before death, a religious burial can be refused," the decree states. Opting out of the tax would also bar people from acting as godparents to Catholic children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19699581

To the Catholic Church it would seem that the obvious way to respond to what is a clear expression of disillusionment with the Church is to hit people over the head with a hammer.

[Flosshilde]

To the Catholic Church it would seem that the obvious way to respond to what is a clear expression of disillusionment with the Church is to hit people over the head with a hammer.

I think that calls for one of pp's emoticons.

[Mr Pee]

I think that calls for one of pp's emoticons.

Happy to oblige.....