Gay marriage thread

[amateur51]

But how can it be hypocrisy? The Catholic Church has always taken a clear official line on these matters.

While having officials at all levels including the highest whose lives run contrary to this 'clear official line'

OK for the priests, not ok for the followers. Hypocrisy, see?

[Mandryka]

While having officials at all levels including the highest whose lives run contrary to this 'clear official line'

OK for the priests, not ok for the followers. Hypocrisy, see?

All they need do is clear out their augean stable, subject O'Connor to the degradation he deserves, and on they shall go.

In order to sustain itself, a Faith needs to offer its followers something that is solid and unchanging. Despite your appallingly entrenched views on the subject, surely you can appreciate this?

[Flosshilde]

All they need do is clear out their augean stable,

So you're suggesting a large reduction in CC officials, a radically reduced priesthood (diminishing anyway in the West), & a complete change in their attitude towards homosexuality & women? In other words, the Church should reflect the views & attitudes of its followers.

on they shall go.

Unfortunately that's more likely

appallingly entrenched views

That certainly sums up most of the Christian (and other) sects.

[Mandryka]

the Church should reflect the views & attitudes of its followers.



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But that is what it does when it refusese to countenance 'alternate' forms of sexuality.

[amateur51]

All they need do is clear out their augean stable, subject O'Connor to the degradation he deserves, and on they shall go.

In order to sustain itself, a Faith needs to offer its followers something that is solid and unchanging. Despite your appallingly entrenched views on the subject, surely you can appreciate this?

[Flosshilde]

Perhaps the church could try looking at this -

http://publicreligion.org/research/2011/03/for-catholics-open-attitudes-on-gay-issues/

or this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ays-Blair.html (rather suspect, I agree)

[jean]

the Church should reflect the views & attitudes of its followers.

But that is what it does when it refusese to countenance 'alternate' forms of sexuality.

Except of course when the 'views & attitudes' come from these people and their supporters.

[MrGongGong]

But that is what it does when it refusese to countenance 'alternate' forms of sexuality.

What on earth is an "alternate" form of sexuality ?
I suspect to my gay friends my heterosexuality is an "alternate" form ..........

If there a "Christian" church anywhere that has ditched the dreadful Paulist nonsense ?

[Mandryka]

If there a "Christian" church anywhere that has ditched the dreadful Paulist nonsense ?

Your pals are sure to find something that will accommodate them if they seek out the fringes. I imagine they will feel at home there, and be made welcome.

[MrGongGong]

Your pals are sure to find something that will accommodate them if they seek out the fringes. I imagine they will feel at home there, and be made welcome.

Accepting that sexuality comes in different forms is no longer on the "fringe"
which is a great step forward IMV

[jean]

What on earth is an "alternate" form of sexuality ?
I suspect to my gay friends my heterosexuality is an "alternate" form ...

Alternative, possibly.

But for your and your friends' sexualities to be properly described as alternate, you'd have to swap and exercise each others' serially.

[Flosshilde]

Alternative, possibly.

But for your and your friends' sexualities to be properly described as alternate, you'd have to swap and exercise each others' serially.

& I suspect that most bisexuals aren't that methodical.

(I believe that some animals do change gender, but that's still not alternating sexuality)

[scottycelt]

... the Church should reflect the views & attitudes of its followers.

No it shouldn't ... its followers should reflect the teachings of their Church. Then there would be no hypocrisy.

When will you and others ever grasp that the Catholic Church is not a political party forever glancing at opinion polls or influenced by the contradictory and hypocritical behaviour of many of its members?

Forget it, Flossie. Find another cause. The Catholic Church isn't going to change its stance however many Cardinal O'Briens and plain John Smiths fail to live up to its teaching.

That's exactly why it infuriates its enemies and strongly attracts others who yearn for moral consistency and stability.

You may love it or hate it but it 'ain't' about to change or suddenly disappear altogether as some might wish.

Sorry ...

[Serial_Apologist]

When will you and others ever grasp that the Catholic Church is not a political party forever glancing at opinion polls or influenced by the contradictory and hypocritical behaviour of many of its members?

Well, for one thing, apart from in Greece, not that many had thought up democracy when the Church of Rome was formed.

It's not a bad model for arriving at decisions based on reality, scotty. The least worst, Churchill said, in so many words.

[Flosshilde]

its followers should reflect the teachings of their Church. Then there would be no hypocrisy.

No: there won't be any hypocrisy when the priests start practicing what they preach.

When will you and others ever grasp that the Catholic Church is not a political party forever glancing at opinion polls or influenced by the contradictory and hypocritical behaviour of many of its members?

So basically the Pope will carry on pissing in the wind?