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Originally posted by Caliban View Post
Reassuring to see that the warm weather has brought on the Beefy-ahinton courtship rituals, seemingly wherever one looks this evening!
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Beef Oven
Originally posted by ahinton View Post?
Peester? They sound similar. But they can't be, surely? And, more importantly, neither seems to be contributing to discussion of the subject at hand. Could we please return to that?
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostI imagine that many of us here believe that you had already made that much abundantly clear - but perhaps others might have something more and/or something fresh to contribute to the discussion.
Above all, I don't accept the view that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Until now, perhaps, but IT CAN CHANGE. Thank goodness we don't do everything because 'it has always been that way'.
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostAh, one tries, one tries; sometimes it's a real uphill struggle, but one tries nevertheless. Anyway, Quakers should in future only ever marry Quakers, and Baptists only Baptists, since the law, once finally ratified, will commend to the electorate the virtues of and statutory requirement for Same Sects Marriage.
Ahem...
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Originally posted by ahinton View Post...since you write of reassurance, let me without further ado assure you and anyone else (if there is anyone else) who might need assuring that I have no intention of taking anyone here to court, ritualistically or otherwise! ...
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth:
Originally posted by Mary Chambers View PostI have contributed little, because I am unable to understand the arguments of the people, here or elsewhere, who are against equal marriage. Like others, I have been married. I would still be married if I hadn't been widowed. I have children and grandchildren, and see myself as an ordinary sort of person in my seventies. I don't understand why people think equal marriage would undermine my marriage or anyone else's. I don't see why marriage would have to be redefined, except perhaps in certain small details. I don't see why children would be confused. If you tell a child that you marry the person you love and want to spend your life with, the child would surely accept that easily.
Above all, I don't accept the view that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Until now, perhaps, but IT CAN CHANGE. Thank goodness we don't do everything because 'it has always been that way'.
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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amateur51
Originally posted by Mary Chambers View PostI have contributed little, because I am unable to understand the arguments of the people, here or elsewhere, who are against equal marriage. Like others, I have been married. I would still be married if I hadn't been widowed. I have children and grandchildren, and see myself as an ordinary sort of person in my seventies. I don't understand why people think equal marriage would undermine my marriage or anyone else's. I don't see why marriage would have to be redefined, except perhaps in certain small details. I don't see why children would be confused. If you tell a child that you marry the person you love and want to spend your life with, the child would surely accept that easily.
Above all, I don't accept the view that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Until now, perhaps, but IT CAN CHANGE. Thank goodness we don't do everything because 'it has always been that way'.
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Originally posted by Mary Chambers View PostI have contributed little, because I am unable to understand the arguments of the people, here or elsewhere, who are against equal marriage. Like others, I have been married. I would still be married if I hadn't been widowed. I have children and grandchildren, and see myself as an ordinary sort of person in my seventies. I don't understand why people think equal marriage would undermine my marriage or anyone else's. I don't see why marriage would have to be redefined, except perhaps in certain small details. I don't see why children would be confused. If you tell a child that you marry the person you love and want to spend your life with, the child would surely accept that easily.
Above all, I don't accept the view that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Until now, perhaps, but IT CAN CHANGE. Thank goodness we don't do everything because 'it has always been that way'.
I find the concept of 'equal marriage', as a description, more debatable. For many people, especially women, marriage is not 'equal' - particularly noticeable in my former profession where promotion could frequently mean moving from one end of the country to the other: e.g. easier for men to be away during the week than for the woman, if they have young children, or women giving up their careers to follow their husbands. Not to mention necessary disruption of careers to have children and bring them up when very young.
There may well be a transitional period of difficulty when it becomes more common for men to adopt childen. A while back the stories were of women in their sixties having children: which means some children of 10 having a mother in her seventies, while 'all the other children' had mothers in their twenties or thirties. And late teenagers might well have responsibility for looking after an aged parent (or being orphaned), whereas that would more commonly arise for settled 'children' in their fifties or sixies. That seems to me to pose more problems than single sex marriage.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostNot for you, perhaps - and maybe it has indeed been exhausted; that's not for me to say, however. But why commend a return to the topic if you think that the topic has run its course?
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