Gay marriage thread

[Beef Oven]

I'm sorry you've chosen to play the Holocaust card but I'm not in the least surprised.

You're getting a bit mellow-dramatic now - grow up

[amateur51]

I agree with the Marquess of Lothian, a little further down at 8:04pm.

Never mind Mr Pee, I'm sure the Marquess has broad shoulders

[Flosshilde]

I do not understand why a gay couple would wish to declare such a commitment in an institution that is almost universally opposed to such relationships in the first place. It's like a vegan applying to work in a slaughterhouse.

It might come as a surprise to you, Mr Pee, but I don't understand it, either. But that there are lesbians & gay men who are committed Christians, who go to church regularly, and who play a role in their Christian community, and would like their relationship to be recognised by the community that they are part of, is a good enough reason.

[amateur51]

You're getting a bit mellow-dramatic now - grow up

You're lapsing into Parent-Child mode again, Beefy, your favourite, but I refuse to play

[amateur51]

It might come as a surprise to you, Mr Pee, but I don't understand it, either. But that there are lesbians & gay men who are committed Christians, who go to church regularly, and who play a role in their Christian community, and would like their relationship to be recognised by the community that they are part of, is a good enough reason.

Bravo Flossie!

[Flosshilde]

end of marriage as we know it

No; the end of marriage as we knew it & the beginning of marriage as we know it.

(I'm sure that when divorce was legalised the same people said that it was the end of marriage as we know it. People are still getting married - just more often than before )

[Flosshilde]

Quote Originally Posted by MrGongGong View Post

We weren't asked about any of the nonsense this joke government are doing

Yes we were.

Quote Originally Posted by MrGongGong View Post
and I seem to remember mrPee insisting that we had a "democratically elected" government with a viable mandate

And yes I did because yes they were.

That doesn't mean one has to agree with everything they do.

Quite, so why the fuss about same-sex marriage?

[Beef Oven]

You're lapsing into Parent-Child mode again, Beefy, your favourite, but I refuse to play

Don't go into brat mode - start playing

[ahinton]

Don't go into brat mode - start playing

Do not even you think that marriage - and, by extension, intelligent discussion thereof - is rather more than a mere game to be played?

This is getting seriously tiresome. There is new legislation on SSM in UK. It's now traversed its first two stages successfully. It is ultimately likely to be ratified and implemented. There are those who agree with its terms, those who don't and those who couldn't care less as long as they consider it to be unlikely to affect them directly - and those who agree, those who don't and those who aren't especially bothered by it all transcend the boundaries that might otherwise be thought of by some as identifying views representative of religious groups. Increasing numbers of other countries have introduced or are in the process of introducing similar legislation. The phrase "get over it or try to bring down the government come the next General Election" springs to mind - or rather it might do were a change of UK government likely to result in the overturning of this legislation which, as we know, is clearly not the case; indeed, I take leave to doubt whether even the pipe-dream of a tiny minority, namely a UKIP government, would include the overturning of it in an election manifesto.

[Flosshilde]

[ahinton]

Ah, one tries, one tries; sometimes it's a real uphill struggle, but one tries nevertheless. Anyway, Quakers should in future only ever marry Quakers, and Baptists only Baptists, since the law, once finally ratified, will commend to the electorate the virtues of and statutory requirement for Same Sects Marriage.

Ahem...

[Pabmusic]

Ah, one tries, one tries; sometimes it's a real uphill struggle, but one tries nevertheless. Anyway, Quakers should in future only ever marry Quakers, and Baptists only Baptists, since the law, once finally ratified, will commend to the electorate the virtues of and statutory requirement for Same Sects Marriage.

Ahem...

[Mr Pee]

Quite, so why the fuss about same-sex marriage?

Why indeed? One might ask its advocates the same question. It is, to them, a campaign issue which in practice means virtually nothing since civil partnerships were ratified. But to others, it represents a degradation and cheapening of the the very concept of marriage itself.

Hence the "fuss".

[Beef Oven]

Why indeed? One might ask its advocates the same question. It is, to them, a campaign issue which in practice means virtually nothing since civil partnerships were ratified. But to others, it represents a degradation and cheapening of the the very concept of marriage itself.

Hence the "fuss".

Exactly! Well put the Pee-geezer

[MrGongGong]

No; the end of marriage as we knew it & the beginning of marriage as we know it.

(I'm sure that when divorce was legalised the same people said that it was the end of marriage as we know it. People are still getting married - just more often than before )

As someone who IS married (ok by a woman in a register office so i guess that doesn't really count then ) I can only see this as a long overdue equalisation of what has been an inequality for many many years. I'm not that attached to the word BUT do object to a load of other people trying to enforce their beliefs on my life. If those who are so opposed object so much then its up to them to find another word for what they want to do. The nonsense that some of the so called "lords" spout about how this "threatens" society etc etc is just a load of bollocks , the last gasps of a dying bigotry and good riddance to them....

Whats the problem with change anyway ? If this is the "end of marriage as we know it" it's a good thing and anyway many of us regard our gay friends who have Civil Partnerships as Married anyway so is all this over a single word that some want to claim ? If so , I'm Married and it's my word too and i'm more than happy to share it with gay people as well as straight.

it represents a degradation and cheapening of the the very concept of marriage itself.

Can't have those nasty queers degrading us can we ? they have already stolen the word "gay" from us

what utter utter nonsense