Gay marriage thread

[Beef Oven]

TO some folks CP means something else entirely
and it didn't give equal rights at all as has been pointed out over and over
but I guess delusion goes with the smoked fish territory

What rights did CP not afford?

[MrGongGong]

What rights did CP not afford?

zzzzzzzz

Try being in one
have children
go abroad
child gets ill
you are NOT necessarily the Next of Kin
and so on

and you can spank on all you like , it's hardly the end of the world

maybe (as Sandi Toksvig said) maybe gay people will do for marriage what they have done for musical theatre

and anyway if you don't agree with it
don't get married to someone of the same sex ....... it's quite simple
you don't need to refer to the sky fairy

[Vile Consort]

A number of their lordships have amply demonstrated their familiarity with the Slippery Slope Fallacy - though evidently without realising that it is a fallacy. Fortunately the majority are bright enough to see through such nonsense dressed up as argument.

[Beef Oven]

zzzzzzzz

Try being in one
have children
go abroad
child gets ill
you are NOT necessarily the Next of Kin
and so on

and you can spank on all you like , it's hardly the end of the world

maybe (as Sandi Toksvig said) maybe gay people will do for marriage what they have done for musical theatre

Children? Yes, that would be a challenge - what fucking planet do you live on!!!?

Go abroad? CP does not require the surrendering of your passport! And Which countries are 'we' thinking of anyway?

Child gets ill - see your point about not being able to have children, make yer bleedin' mind up

And so on? Read, frig-all that you can think of.

End of the world - No, but end of marriage as we know it Jim

Musical theatre? I think you'll find that gay people have contributed quite a bit more to this world than entertainment and music.

Politics and ideology has so much to answer for

[MrGongGong]

Children? Yes, that would be a challenge - what fucking planet do you live on!!!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vClNY0jbU

Don't be obtuse

This is the start of the disestablishment of the CofE we hope

[Beef Oven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vClNY0jbU

Don't be obtuse

This is the start of the disestablishment of the CofE we hope

Having children is not a political right, it's something that comes about very naturally and very easily.

Don't be a knob.

Don't drag the mighty Gong into your perfidity.

[MrGongGong]

Having children is not a political right, it's something that comes about very naturally and very easily.

Don't be a knob.

Who said it was a right ?

Gay people have children you know ........it's something that comes about
but I guess you don't agree that the children of gay people should be treated the same
so much for equality then

[Beef Oven]

Who said it was a right ?

Gay people have children you know ........it's something that comes about
but I guess you don't agree that the children of gay people should be treated the same
so much for equality then

I whole-heartedly support equal rights, facilities and legal provision for gay couples that have children.

BUT

You do not have to have same sex marriage to afford the same rights to gay couples regarding children. What bit of that can you not get your bonce around?

[MrGongGong]

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You do not have to have same sex marriage to afford the same rights to gay couples regarding children. What bit of that can you not get your bonce around?

FFS
YES YOU DO if they want to travel
which isn't the only reason why it's long overdue

Equal marriage means equal not just in legal terms
it's a symbolic act to show that we are equal but different

simple
and a load of silly old men and daft christian fantasists shouldn't be allowed to define anyones life ..............

I fail to see why anyone (apart from the religionists who will object to anything that suits them) would find this offensive
or even be so bothered about it ?

For my gay friends its a great step forward

[Beef Oven]

FFS
YES YOU DO if they want to travel
which isn't the only reason why it's long overdue

Equal marriage means equal not just in legal terms
it's a symbolic act to show that we are equal but different

simple
and a load of silly old men and daft christian fantasists shouldn't be allowed to define anyones life ..............

I fail to see why anyone (apart from the religionists who will object to anything that suits them) would find this offensive
or even be so bothered about it ?

For my gay friends its a great step forward

FFS ALRIGHT, ALREADY!! You don't have to be married to travel!!!!! Jesus Wept!!!!

No-one is defining anyone's life, except the SSM proponents have dictated to billions of people that their notion of marriage has to be re-defined! most people are shit-scared to say they don't agree!!

You fail to see...? Open your eyes Sonny Jim!!! get married (so you can travel) and go to, say, for example, randomly chosen, FRANCE.

And some of my gay friends DON'T think it's a step forward, but then I've taken the trouble to talk to them. And ner-nicky-ner-ner, I bet I've got more gay friends than you have!!!!!

[MrGongGong]

What's the problem with "re-defining" things anyway ?

When I was young a Song meant something with people singing (or even "without words" ? ) now it means "all sounds we consider to be music"
surely this is much more annoying and detrimental to society than equal marriage ?

You don't seem to have that with music ?
(but if you do develop Bufton Tufton tendencies send over the CD collection as i'm sure there's lots of weird stuff that I would love )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaiXfdYCZCw

[Beef Oven]

What's the problem with "re-defining" things anyway ?

It's about proportionality.

You are in favour of re-defining marriage so gay people can travel to Nigeria (), to better manage child illness () and symbolic notions of giving a message about equality, when we already have equality via civil partnership.

You think we should fundamentally change marriage to clear up confusion about next of kin issues? Please get real!!!!!!!!!!!

[ahinton]

It's about proportionality.

You are in favour of re-defining marriage so gay people can travel to Nigeria (), to better manage child illness () and symbolic notions of giving a message about equality, when we already have equality via civil partnership.

At the risk of intruding on private grief
In the guise of a duo 'twixt gong and beef...

Er - the availability of civil partnerships to some and marriage to others constitutes / represents "equality", does it? On such a basis, it would appear that the word that might need redefining is "equality", not "marriage"...

Anyway, to what extent does it matter now, after the event? The attempt to defeat the legislation in HoL has been scuppered and so, like France (a country where some might have expected a good deal less than in Britain in terms of the possible success of same sex marriage legislation), same sex marriage is here to stay until and unless some future government successfully contrives to overturn the legislation that enables it.

[Mr Pee]

When I was young a Song meant something with people singing (or even "without words" ? ) now it means "all sounds we consider to be music"

Really? That particular re-definition must have passed me by.

[MrGongGong]

Really? That particular re-definition must have passed me by.

That's because you live in the 1950's ?