Gay marriage thread

[scottycelt]

I should add that Mr F's response was "Who cares what he says?"

Not wishing to cause a 'domestic', but the other Mr Flossie apparently does care what he says ...

[Mr Pee]

Not wishing to cause a 'domestic', but the other Mr Flossie apparently does care what he says ...

[Serial_Apologist]

The Mean Machine seems to be operating as a united front these days...

[MrGongGong]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cardinal-keith-obrien-was-in-longterm-gay-relationship-claims-partner-8544536.html

[amateur51]

The Mean Machine seems to be operating as a united front these days...

Yes Captain Peacock and Baldrick, an unusual combination

[amateur51]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-8544536.html

A very sad story, exemplifying one aspect of the victims of the Catholic church's refusal to change as scotty describes it, but also revealing the hypocritical stance that O'Brien took as a church leader. This double-standard will have caused great distress to countless men and women who have beaten themselves up about their sexuality while trying to live up to the church's teachings standards. They will have looked to O'Brien for comfort and guidance and will have received only lectures and, it appears, hypocrisy.

The new Pope will have to give a contemporary lead about how the Catholic church plans to treat its lesbian, gay and bisexual followers in the light of this revelation.

[Flosshilde]

Baldrick,

[Mandryka]

The new Pope will have to give a contemporary lead about how the Catholic church plans to treat its lesbian, gay and bisexual followers in the light of this revelation.

No, he won't. Anyway, as one of the 'damned', you're hardly in a position to offer advice.

[MrGongGong]

No, he won't. Anyway, as one of the 'damned', you're hardly in a position to offer advice.

If "heaven" is full of you folks then i'm glad i'm going somewhere else ......

[amateur51]

No, he won't. Anyway, as one of the 'damned', you're hardly in a position to offer advice.

'Tweren't advice, 'twere a demand

[Pabmusic]

... as one of the 'damned', you're hardly in a position to offer advice.

The New Testament makes it clear that (1) no one goes to heaven until the end of time*, and (2) only 144,000 will be allowed into heaven anyway** - and that's out of everyone who ever lived. So I think we can all offer advice (or not) as we please and have an equal right to be heard, since the chance of being one of the 144,000 is so minute.

*[All four gospels, the writings of Paul and the Revelation of St John all say this - very few priests do! I suppose heaven is pretty well empty at the moment. ]

**[Clearly stated in Revelation.]

[Ferretfancy]

A few years ago, a good friend of mine, who is a devout catholic, was invited to attend a mass at a church in Westminster celebrating the fact that two gay partners, who were catholic laymen, had done unstinting work for the Church for many years. The mass was to be followed by a reception for a couple of hundred people.

When the service began,there was an interruption, and the priest was forced to announce that the mass had been banned on the orders of Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor. My friend was horrified that two good men that she had known for many years were to be publicly shamed in this way. Fortunately, a newly ordained priest came forward and announced that he would celebrate mass, and it went ahead. Whether or not he was punished I don't know.

After the introduction of civil partnerships, the two men decided to try again, and they were refused.

Hypocrisy is the name of the game, and I cannot foresee any change.

A small correction, it may have been O'connor's predecessor, but the game remains the same.

[MrGongGong]

Hypocrisy is the name of the game, and I cannot foresee any change.

[amateur51]

The New Testament makes it clear that (1) no one goes to heaven until the end of time*, and (2) only 144,000 will be allowed into heaven anyway** - and that's out of everyone who ever lived. So I think we can all offer advice (or not) as we please and have an equal right to be heard, since the chance of being one of the 144,000 is so minute.

*[All four gospels, the writings of Paul and the Revelation of St John all say this - very few priests do! I suppose heaven is pretty well empty at the moment. ]

**[Clearly stated in Revelation.]

Cheers pabs
but I've already made other arrangements

Don't Revelation make rather good suitcases?

[Mandryka]

A few years ago, a good friend of mine, who is a devout catholic, was invited to attend a mass at a church in Westminster celebrating the fact that two gay partners, who were catholic laymen, had done unstinting work for the Church for many years. The mass was to be followed by a reception for a couple of hundred people.

When the service began,there was an interruption, and the priest was forced to announce that the mass had been banned on the orders of Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor. My friend was horrified that two good men that she had known for many years were to be publicly shamed in this way. Fortunately, a newly ordained priest came forward and announced that he would celebrate mass, and it went ahead. Whether or not he was punished I don't know.

After the introduction of civil partnerships, the two men decided to try again, and they were refused.

Hypocrisy is the name of the game, and I cannot foresee any change.

A small correction, it may have been O'connor's predecessor, but the game remains the same.

But how can it be hypocrisy? The Catholic Church has always taken a clear official line on these matters.