Gay marriage thread

[Pabmusic]

One way of putting it

(not for the sensitive but it does feature the Sydney Symphony Orchestra )

Interesting that the Sydney SO use a rotary-valve tuba. Was there another point?

[MrGongGong]

Interesting that the Sydney SO use a rotary-valve tuba. Was there another point?

Hardly uncommon these days
there is a rather well made point IMV

[Pabmusic]

Hardly uncommon these days,,,

...there is a rather well made point IMV

[scottycelt]

Hardly uncommon these days
there is a rather well made point IMV

Let's try and have an educated guess then ...

That the smug-looking Aussie clown with the heavy eye make-up and beard, and who's pretending to play the piano, knows no language apart from a particularly nauseating American swear-word ... ?

[amateur51]

Let's try and have an educated guess then ...

That the smug-looking Aussie clown with the heavy eye make-up and beard, and who's pretending to play the piano, knows no language apart from a particularly nauseating American swear-word ... ?

I know you're struggling with life as it is lived in the twenty-first century, scotty but just consider that one of the roles of the clown throughout history has been to tell truth to power.

And I don't think you'll forget this particular message.

Think on.

[MrGongGong]

Let's try and have an educated guess then ...

That the smug-looking Aussie clown with the heavy eye make-up and beard, and who's pretending to play the piano, knows no language apart from a particularly nauseating American swear-word ... ?

He IS playing the piano
and Fuck is not an "American" swear-word

according to the OED

Origin:

early 16th century: of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning 'strike', shared by Latin pugnus 'fist'


and as Am says speaking truth to power is vital

[scottycelt]

I know you're struggling with life as it is lived in the twenty-first century, scotty but just consider that one of the roles of the clown throughout history has been to tell truth to power.

And I don't think you'll forget this particular message.

Think on.

Ah, good, I thought you had switched your "think" off permanently, amsey.

We're not talking about me, we're talking about Mr/Ms GG's distinctly unfunny clown.

Aren't clowns (even Aussie ones) supposed to make us laugh and not make us hurriedly reach for the nearest available sick-bag ... ?

[MrGongGong]

It's not meant to be "funny"

if you missed the point
it is that people seem to be more offended by him using the F word than the horrendous abuse perpetrated by people in the church .....

You are meant to feel uncomfortable

[amateur51]

It's not meant to be "funny"

if you missed the point
it is that people seem to be more offended by him using the F word than the horrendous abuse perpetrated by people in the church .....

You are meant to feel uncomfortable

And the persistent and deliberate covering up of said abuse by their mates at the pinnacle of power.

Hang on a minute ... isn't God supposed to see everything?, [I]know everything[/]

[Mr Pee]

I thought you had switched your "think" off permanently, amsey ?

I hadn't noticed that he'd ever switched it on.

[scottycelt]

It's not meant to be "funny"

if you missed the point
it is that people seem to be more offended by him using the F word than the horrendous abuse perpetrated by people in the church .....

You are meant to feel uncomfortable

What, ME ... ?

Yes, I sort of gathered that the repetitive use of a common American swear-word was the unfunny clown's idea of
"shock-horror'". The shocked audience seemed to really lap up all his unfunniness, didn't it?

Looked like a really unfunny and truly shocking evening ... so sorry I missed my deserved and uncomfortable squirming in a really expensive seat.

[french frank]

This thread is going the same way as the last one - which was removed. Unless this gets more civilised the whole thread will go.

[Julien Sorel]

It's not meant to be "funny"

if you missed the point
it is that people seem to be more offended by him using the F word than the horrendous abuse perpetrated by people in the church .....

You are meant to feel uncomfortable

Except (a) he's performing in front of an audience who clearly don't feel at all uncomfortable, so he's basically giving them what they want and not challenging anyone there or anyone who likes his stuff (b) doesn't use "the F word" but a misogynistic embellishment thereof.

More importantly, the premise is nonsense: I know people who are offended by "the F word." That doesn't mean they are more offended by "the F word" than they are by covering up child abuse, or other sexual abuse, or other abuse of power. They just don't like people saying ... "the F word." And particularly don't like it over and over again. As it happens I do use "the F word," though I wouldn't use it in conversation with someone who would find it upsetting or offensive. I certainly wouldn't reach the conclusion that someone who finds the word offensive finds its use more offensive than covering up abuse: how does that follow?

He's not like Pussy Riot, who risked and are paying for genuine confrontation with hostile power. He's giving a particular audience what they want. That's not anti-authoritarian satire: it's entertaining a sympathetic audience, IMO .

[Pabmusic]

The last few posts have reminded me that the earliest written record of the 'F' word in English is from a piece of graffiti dating from about 1470 and referring to the Carmelite friars of Ely:

Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk. The latter four words are in easy cipher, the written letters substituting for those lying previously in the alphabet, giving:

Non sunt in coeli, quia fuccant uuiuys of heli. The word uuiuys is 'wivys'; 'heli' is Ely.

Thus:

They are not in heaven, because they fuck the wives of Ely.

No doubt the friars were moved elsewhere as a result.

[amateur51]

Except (a) he's performing in front of an audience who clearly don't feel at all uncomfortable, so he's basically giving them what they want and not challenging anyone there or anyone who likes his stuff (b) doesn't use "the F word" but a misogynistic embellishment thereof.

More importantly, the premise is nonsense: I know people who are offended by "the F word." That doesn't mean they are more offended by "the F word" than they are by covering up child abuse, or other sexual abuse, or other abuse of power. They just don't like people saying ... "the F word." And particularly don't like it over and over again. As it happens I do use "the F word," though I wouldn't use it in conversation with someone who would find it upsetting or offensive. I certainly wouldn't reach the conclusion that someone who finds the word offensive finds its use more offensive than covering up abuse: how does that follow?

He's not like Pussy Riot, who risked and are paying for genuine confrontation with hostile power. He's giving a particular audience what they want. That's not anti-authoritarian satire: it's entertaining a sympathetic audience, IMO .

But it is being made available for domestic consumption through direct broadcast and presumably video/download and of course youtube, so we can't be at all certain about the scope of the audience.