Gay marriage thread

[scottycelt]

There was certainly plenty of fine music written by catholics in the past, but the quality of music in the average catholic church today is abysmal, and very little of the great music from the past gets performed at parish level.Mind you, the C of E is often just as bad. If Mozart went to church today, I doubt if he would wish to commit any of it to memory.

Great to be in full agreement, Ferret!

Post-Vatican II, Catholic churches went all happy-clappy and evangelistic and almost turned American Baptist. 'Abysmal' is far too kind a word for the excruciating stuff we get these days.

I often wonder what the glorious likes of Anton Bruckner would have made of it all. Another nervous breakdown I suspect.

I did note you put 'Catholic' in small 'c' but everything else is awarded it's due capital letter. Have you a particular grammatical problem or objection to standard practice that you may wish to confide with the rest of us ... after all "catholic" has a quite different meaning from "Catholic"?

[scottycelt]

What an extraordinary post, Scotty ...

Thanks, Flossie, but you are now beginning to embarrass me with all this sudden flattery ... please stop it!

[Ferretfancy]

Great to be in full agreement, Ferret!

Post-Vatican II, Catholic churches went all happy-clappy and evangelistic and almost turned American Baptist. 'Abysmal' is far too kind a word for the excruciating stuff we get these days.

I often wonder what the glorious likes of Anton Bruckner would have made of it all. Another nervous breakdown I suspect.

I did note you put 'Catholic' in small 'c' but everything else is awarded it's due capital letter. Have you a particular grammatical problem or objection to standard practice that you may wish to confide with the rest of us ... after all "catholic" has a quite different meaning from "Catholic"?

No offence intended scotty, or at least not this once ! It should have been a big C of course. In my favour, like Captain Corcoran " I never use a big big D ! "

[Flosshilde]

I see that Cardinal O'Brien has decided that he's in favour of priests marrying - as long as it's to a woman.

[MrGongGong]

I see that Cardinal O'Brien has decided that he's in favour of priests marrying - as long as it's to a woman.

I think that might be the least of his "problems" if what I read in The Observer is to be believed

[Beef Oven]

I think that might be the least of his "problems" if what I read in The Observer is to be believed

As I've said before, same sex ruins marriage.

[MrGongGong]

As I've said before, same sex ruins marriage.

I thought you said "some" ?

[Beef Oven]

I thought you said "some" ?

I will not answer because I am listening to RVW #9 and you have previously chided me for multi-tasking when it comes to music.

[MrGongGong]

I will not answer because I am listening to RVW #9 and you have previously chided me for multi-tasking when it comes to music.

Just keep breathing while you listen .......

[ahinton]

As I've said before, same sex ruins marriage.

Much would surely depend on precisely what is meant by "same" in this context in terms of how one might interpret your assertion here, variety being the spice of life and all that (or so it is said)...

[Barbirollians]

Cardinal O'Brien is under investigation for allegations of inappropriate advances made to three younger priests - oh dear .

[Ferretfancy]

Cardinal O'Brien is under investigation for allegations of inappropriate advances made to three younger priests - oh dear .

Is "inappropriate" in the same category as " completely unacceptable" ?

As he's the chief RC prelate of Scotland, there can surely be only one solution --

All together now !

"Will you stop your ticklin' Jock! Will you stop your ticklin' Jock
I wish you'd stop your nonsense !
Just look at all the folk!
Will you stop your ticklin', tickle lickle iicklin'
Stop you ticklin' Jock "

[amateur51]

You've got to feel sorry for scotty.

His tip to be the next Pope has just resigned

And the much-criticised Stonewall Bigot of the Year has resigned too

Oh, they're the same person

Britain's most senior Roman Catholic cleric, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, is stepping down as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh. It follows allegations - which he contests - of inappropriate behaviour towards priests dating from the 1980s. The Scottish Catholic Church says Pope Benedict has accepted his resignation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21572724

I sincerely hope that this sudden rash of resignations does not mean that these people should escape the flinty majesty of the law. Otherwise we'll never know if Stonewall got it right

[ahinton]

You've got to feel sorry for scotty.

His tip to be the next Pope has just resigned

And the much-criticised Stonewall Bigot of the Year has resigned too

Oh, they're the same person

Britain's most senior Roman Catholic cleric, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, is stepping down as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh. It follows allegations - which he contests - of inappropriate behaviour towards priests dating from the 1980s. The Scottish Catholic Church says Pope Benedict has accepted his resignation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21572724

I sincerely hope that this sudden rash of resignations does not mean that these people should escape the flinty majesty of the law. Otherwise we'll never know if Stonewall got it right

This news, that of the LibDem fox Lord Rennard and the ongoing Savile investigations certainly appears to demonstrate beyond all argument that this kind of thing is far too widespread to be confined to certain music schools...

[Ferretfancy]

I think there's a bit of a wriggle going on here. According to today's Guardian O'Brien's resignation has been with the Pope for some time, since he is due to retire in any case, and the resignation letter is a standard requirement.
If this is so, then the announcement is not quite as dramatic as it first seems. He has said that he will not be going to Rome for the conclave, but since Benedict hands in his keys on Thursday, he'll probably get away without much trouble during the interregnum.

These people's ability to excuse themselves is staggering. A couple of nights ago another prelate calmly said that even if a cardinal was guilty of offences, that did not mean that he could not form a judgement on the papal selection.

Last week, Archbishop Nichols was questioned about the use of condoms in Africa to help reduce the appalling numbers of AIDS cases. In a rambling answer, he seemed to suggest that distributing condoms might be seen by Africans as a form of western imperialism, and that it might be better if Africans found their own solution unaided!