Welfare &c.

[eighthobstruction]

One can only feel compassion for Mandryka....

[ahinton]

One can only feel compassion for Mandryka....

Well, I for one am struggling to do so but I have nevertheless tried to argue the case and challenge comments that need challenging in as polite a manner as I am able.

In fact, it occurs to me that this thread's so tailor-made for Mandryka that it's a wonder that it was initiated by someone else!

[eighthobstruction]

Well, I for one am struggling to do so but I have nevertheless tried to argue the case and challenge comments that need challenging in as polite a manner as I am able.

In fact, it occurs to me that this thread's so tailor-made for Mandryka that it's a wonder that it was initiated by someone else!

Yep, and long may you do so ahinton....waves wash the shore....a good 'constant'....

[Flosshilde]

One can only feel compassion for Mandryka....

Not strictly true - contempt is an alternative - but one can try.

[Flosshilde]

Exactly what I felt when I visited Mont St Michel for the first time , there wouldn't have been any "crass commercialisation" in the past , would there ?

I blame Schoenberg myself, breaking the "laws" of tonality led to the destruction of society

you been reading David Tame again Prof ?

Mr GG, you might want to edit your message, which, thanks to Simon's inept editing in his reply to Sydney, attributes Simon's nonsense to poor Syd.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

[amateur51]

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And Amy - I know plenty of people who have been invalided out of work who made sure they had provision for themselves and did not have to rely on the state.

How utterly convenient for you, Mandy. Well I was not so fortunate

[amateur51]

I'm very sorry to hear of your plight, which I imagine is hardly minimised by the thought that someone appears to be prepared to imply that you somehow "chose" to have those impairments; there some people around with the most bizarre ideas, that's for sure!

As my father used to say, "what do you expect from a pig but a grunt" ahinton

[teamsaint]

You don't have to drive very far to be reminded that there are some daft folk about.

[Nick Armstrong]

You don't have to drive very far to be reminded that there are some daft folk about.

As concise and accurate a statement as has ever appeared on this site!

[amateur51]

You don't have to drive very far to be reminded that there are some daft folk about.

[ahinton]

As concise and accurate a statement as has ever appeared on this site!

Indeed - one doesn't actually have to drive anywhere to figure that one out!

[Resurrection Man]

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If you 'choose' to live on them, then you enter into certain obligations toward the state, in return for the generosity it has extended to you.

And that, however much the liberals whinge, is a fact.

Rather dispiriting but not altogether unexpected to see the usual culprits clambering up their hill to their perceived 'moral' high ground over this and jumping down Mandrycka's throat.

We can all speak from personal experience. I will give two examples known to me that support Mandryka's statement.

One local family, five children, no-one disabled, both parents physically capable of work and yet neither have worked (through choice) for the last twenty years. Somehow they have managed to wing the system and claim benefit for all this time. That is simply wrong.

Second family, single mother, eight children. When she's had a few in the pub, she refers to them as Inc(ome) 1, Inc(ome) 2. Again, that's abusing the system and taking money away from more deserving families.

Two sides to every coin.

[amateur51]

Rather dispiriting but not altogether unexpected to see the usual culprits clambering up their hill to their perceived 'moral' high ground over this and jumping down Mandrycka's throat.

We can all speak from personal experience. I will give two examples known to me that support Mandryka's statement.

One local family, five children, no-one disabled, both parents physically capable of work and yet neither have worked (through choice) for the last twenty years. Somehow they have managed to wing the system and claim benefit for all this time. That is simply wrong.

Second family, single mother, eight children. When she's had a few in the pub, she refers to them as Inc(ome) 1, Inc(ome) 2. Again, that's abusing the system and taking money away from more deserving families.

Two sides to every coin.

Both MrGG and I were writing from personal experience, RM. It take a special sort of twazzock to argue the toss about someone's personal experience and fortunately you are not of that ilk, unlike the weight lifter

[MrGongGong]

One local family, five children, no-one disabled, both parents physically capable of work and yet neither have worked (through choice) for the last twenty years. Somehow they have managed to wing the system and claim benefit for all this time. That is simply wrong.

Second family, single mother, eight children. When she's had a few in the pub, she refers to them as Inc(ome) 1, Inc(ome) 2. Again, that's abusing the system and taking money away from more deserving families.

Two sides to every coin.

You are conflating (which is exactly what the politicians want you to do !) this with something that is entirely unconnected
why is it that when ever anyone with a disability is mentioned as needing assistance do we get these stories ?
Not that there ISN'T abuse but it's something else entirely

There might be two sides to every coin (you've obviously never seen a Klein bottle !) but
"two anecdotes don't = data"