Richard the Third

[MrGongGong]

Next time I am in York, whenever that may be, I shall certainly visit that emporium, Mr.GG.

And my compliments on your choice of ale this evening.

(That's probably put you right off it, hasn't it?? )

It's a toast to Gay Partners from Suffolk

[JFLL]

I still say York be the best place!

Why not let him be, in the place where he was found, and rebuild the Greyfriars church round him as a sort of mausoleum. I'm sure even a re-constituted Gothic church would be better than what's there now, a car park.

[LeMartinPecheur]

This one seems to be going the rounds on the internet

So it's still OK to bury live ones?

[arancie33]

I don't see why he couldn't be laid to rest there either, but as many others have pointed out

How about the simple 'rainbow' test? If it's York for Yellow in the rhyme, then York it ought (not must) to be!

That was another Richard. He died at the battle Wakefield.

To be truly tasteless, as the poor man is in bits anyway, why not share him round?

[Flosshilde]

I don't see why he couldn't be laid to rest there either, but as many others have pointed out and in no particular order here are some spanners looking for some overdue work:
Law of the Land [nearest consecrated ground]
a Catholic Rite [so no Anglican church / cathedral, then]
why not with his Consort / family in W Abbey / Gt George's Windsor (see above)?
should it not be a State funeral [even though he's been laid to rest once already?]

It is all actually quite tricky and there will never be consensus as this is quite a big mystery that's been solved and everyone now wants their piece of it / him - all for very good reasons, I hasten to add.

This has worked for various saints etc, so why not spread him around all the competing venues?

Apologies to Arancie, who's suggestion I hadn't seen.

[Petrushka]

I think that Leicester Cathedral has got a distinct advantage here, as it is the nearest consecrated ground to where he was found and fits in admirably with the long tradition of those fallen in battle being buried near to where they fell. On the other hand, Leicester Cathedral is not large (the 4th smallest in England) and this is still a King we are talking of so a good case for York Minster perhaps. A State Funeral? Why not?

There are many interested in this for their own purpose and as this is a case of unknown territory, I suggest that the Queen, in consultation with the Prime Minister and all interested parties should have the ultimate choice.

My money remains, for good or ill, on Leicester Cathedral.

By the way, I find this whole thing strangely compelling and moving. By and large, this thread has been an excellent and informed discussion with some very fine contributions and has largely remained free of ill-judged comments and sniping.

[Pabmusic]

I don't see why he couldn't be laid to rest there either, but as many others have pointed out and in no particular order here are some spanners looking for some overdue work:
Law of the Land [nearest consecrated ground]
a Catholic Rite [so no Anglican church / cathedral, then]
why not with his Consort / family in W Abbey / Gt George's Windsor (see above)?
should it not be a State funeral [even though he's been laid to rest once already?]...

Your second point (Catholic rite - no Anglican church) conflicts with your third (Westminster Abbey/St George's Chapel). In reality he can be interred in an Anglican building, with Catholic rites, if the C of E agrees. They didn't agree in 1934 for Elgar - but then he was only a composer, and times may be different now. They buried the Prince Imperial (Napoleon III's son) at St George Chapel after he was killed in the Zulu war.

[Pabmusic]

I would agree with that, anna. As he was also Duke of York.

No, Gloucester. His father was Duke of York. But both were of the House of York, of course.

That was another Richard. He died at the battle Wakefield....

Yes. Richard III had been Duke of Gloucester. He was Richard of Gloucester, not Richard of York - that was his father who died at Wakefield.

[french frank]

He was Richard of Gloucester, not Richard of York - that was his father who died at Wakefield.

And also, from 1474, his nephew, brother of Edward V, and also a Richard (1473 - c 1483). According to Wikipedia it became the tradition for the second son of the sovereign to be Duke of York when that Richard was given the title in 1474 (hence currently Prince Andrew).

[Flosshilde]

Teribly unimaginative lot, the royals, when it comes to naming their children. All these Richards, Georges, Edwards & Henries.

[BBMmk2]

True! The same team that dug up RIII, have been invited to Kent to see about RIII's illiegtimate son, supposedly buried there!

[LeMartinPecheur]

'Authoritative online sources' reveal that the nursery rhyme "The grand old Duke of York" and the physics mnemonic "Richard of York gave battle in vain" probably refer to the Richard who fell at the Battle of Wakefield. Though because it doesn't state that he was Duke of York, Richard III and Bosworth stay in the running for the latter.

The nursery rhyme's emphasis on passage up and down the hill apparently well describes the Duke's fatal tactical mistakes in the Wakefield battle

[gurnemanz]

Last year I got the BBC Shakespeare DVD set (a snip, by the way, for £70). Having greatly enjoyed Mark Rylance's Richard III last week, I decided to check out the Beeb's version. Ron Cook does a very good job backed by a fine cast and there is much to be gained by getting the bard's the full text. Most adaptations cut quite heavily. I relished Michael Byrne's Buckingham, who kept reminding me of the plausible, duplicitous spin doctors of of our own time.

[Vile Consort]

And Cnuts and Athelstans.

[Pabmusic]

Teribly unimaginative lot, the royals, when it comes to naming their children. All these Richards, Georges, Edwards & Henries.

It's about time they started using something more up-to-date. They've missed out on Dwayne (very dated now), so what would be good?

Not much research and I can give the following as the currently most popular names (boy/girl) in the US:

Jacob/Sophia
Mason/Isabella
William*/Emma
Jayden/Olivia
Noah/Ava

*(Obviously because of Prince William, so I'd not allow it.)

I prefer some of these:

Aero/Monalisa
Cello/Shoog
Cobain/Ummi
Haven'T/Juju
Vice/J'Adore