Richard the Third

[Mr Pee]

It doesn't convince me. But then I don't believe everything I am told.
There is usually more to things than meets the eye.
Anyway, who cares?The real stories lie elsewhere.....

There is no doubt whatsoever that the bones are those of Richard III. I really don't know how anybody who has followed the story can doubt it.

Anyway, here's more on how it came about:-

[ahinton]

All right, ‘has got’ if you prefer. Now who could have dragged the Scots into it?

No one for the sake of so doing - it was done purely on the basis of an arguably false assumption (not from me) that there was no one around to diss the Welsh. Not that I am dissing the Welsh, you understand, even though I am a Scot...

[ahinton]

They're wearing kilts, not drag

Do you mean that they are wearing kilts but not dragging them?

[ahinton]

Amsy, ahinton & pee all on the same thread, this is gonna be a tin-bath

Not for the first time, surely? - and why anyone might assume that any of them, or indeed anyone reading them in combination, would be inclined as a direct consequence to desire a bath in a tin receptacle I have less than no idea.

[ahinton]

Shouldn't that be Johnnies-come-lately?

Surely not only Johnnies but also Dais and Hamishes and come not necessarily at all lately?...

[ahinton]

There is no doubt whatsoever that the bones are those of Richard III. I really don't know how anybody who has followed the story can doubt it.

Anyway, here's more on how it came about:-

Well, I'm not doubting it, have no especial evidence-based reason to doubt it and, with your citation of Mr Atkinson as corroboration, who on earth would I be to doubt it?!...

[teamsaint]

Instead of all this time and energy going into a nice diversionary game of "Whose bones are these", resources might be better spent investigating the real causes of the wars and destruction going on today. The lessons of history are there to be learned.
Greed, arrogance, exploitation, same now as it was then....lets uncover the culprits,and expose their methods.
I shall rant no more on this. Probably.

[Petrushka]

I fail to see how anyone with the tiniest spark of interest in the history of our great island nation could not be thrilled and moved by this story. Agree with Mr Pee in his comments on this thread; I think this is one of the most fascinating stories for many a long year. Plaudits to Leicester University.

On the question of his burial place I believe it is the tradition for those fallen in battle to have their resting place near to where they fell. This would answer the query posed upthread as to why the King should be buried in Leicester Cathedral.

[handsomefortune]

a nice diversionary game of "Whose bones are these",



it's true that the recent rumours about rbs and lloyds need more than a bunch of bones for a decoy, even if the skeleton is thought to be king richard's.


If the DNA and previously alleged bodily deformities and injuries have been largely confirmed that's surely pretty conclusive. well it remains 'a bone of contention'... ()

we'll just have to see!

i think everyone's sick of hearing about the great horse meat swindle.... so these particular bones make a pleasant change i suppose.

i suspect a vice chancellor at a leicester uni is ecstatic.

[teamsaint]

Well I am very interested in history, I did my degree in it , and I am not interested in this story, really. Different strokes......

This is the kind of British History that interests me...http://www.visitblaenavon.co.uk/en/W...Ironworks.aspx

and the lives of the people who created it, and worked and lived there. This place, at the time the most advanced Iron works in the world, was created because of demand for munitions . Sad, but true.

[Historian]

Well I am very interested in history, I did my degree in it , and I am not interested in this story, really. Different strokes......

Just so; History embraces so many different areas. Each has its own enthusiasts. We can't tell how our world might have changed if Richard III and not Henry Tudor had triumphed at Bosworth (wherever that field actually lies). However, we can go to Blaenavon and see one of the sites of the beginnings of the 'Industrial Revolution'. Thank you, teamsaint, for bringing the website to my attention.

[teamsaint]

Just so; History embraces so many different areas. Each has its own enthusiasts. We can't tell how our world might have changed if Richard III and not Henry Tudor had triumphed at Bosworth (wherever that field actually lies). However, we can go to Blaenavon and see one of the sites of the beginnings of the 'Industrial Revolution'. Thank you, teamsaint, for bringing the website to my attention.

My pleasure, Historian. I recommend a visit if in the area, though the first week in November in a rainy spell isn't ideal.....
Its free to get into as well.....

[scottycelt]

It doesn't convince me. But then I don't believe everything I am told.
There is usually more to things than meets the eye.
Anyway, who cares?The real stories lie elsewhere.....

I suppose it all depends on what one wants to believe and I suspect no one here believes everything they are told. There is only one real story here and it concerns the remains of Richard III.

Who cares? Well, I think some of us do care about the truth. This is not a question of 'believing' but simply 'accepting the stated scientific evidence'.

The only alternative to 'accepting the stated scientific evidence' is to believe that the whole thing is an elaborate hoax (or that science itself is a fraud).

[Pabmusic]

It doesn't convince me. But then I don't believe everything I am told.
There is usually more to things than meets the eye.
Anyway, who cares?The real stories lie elsewhere.....

It's always a good idea to embrace scepticism, but this is silly. The only explanation that remains to give the lie to this story is that a group of lecturers at Leicester have conspired to make it up. But they've been very open about it all.

Short of anything like this, what are we left with? The bones were buried in the area they were believed to be. The person was male, slightly built and with a crooked back - very much as expected. He died violently, with injuries consistent with death in battle. The date of the bones was consistent with death at Bosworth. The mitochondrial DNA obtained from the skeleton matches two known descendants of Richard III. (The results of the male-line DNA are still awaited.)

Mmm - looks like a duck [tick]; walks like a duck [tick]; sounds like a duck [tick]. I'm not convinced...

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

swmbo observed that there was a lot of news today .....

another Irish supplier of horsemeat in the beefburgers
the ex tory chief whip proving he was proper fitted up
Osborne and his empty threats to the banks

etc etc


but we were both fascinated by RIII and Leicester ... found the C4 documentary where there was a concluding sequence showing a reconstruction of his face and head was quite convincing that it was RIII they found ... and living in the middle kingdom we both feel that a final internment in Leicester Cathedral would be good for the local tourism businesses etc etc ...