Richard the Third

[amateur51]

I see I have to hand: History of King Richard III by Sir T. More, and H. Walpole's Historic Doubts on the Life and Reign of King Richard III. Ideal reading for a winter's evening. I don't think I've ever read either - though I have read Daughter of Time.

If you distil the essence of these two volumes & get together with ahinton/MrGongGong/Suffolkcoastal, you could have the makings of a half-decent musical here, frenchie

[MrGongGong]

It's enough to make me want to visit Leicester.....and I never thought I would be saying that!!!

You really should
for these two reasons

1: http://www.gourmetsociety.co.uk/rest...estaurant.html

and most importantly

2: http://www.mti.dmu.ac.uk/must/

the MTI does some wonderful stuff ..........
(http://www.dmu.ac.uk/research/resear...irc/mtirc.aspx)

[JFLL]

... he was a Plantagenet - the last of the Plantagenets - but basically an Angevin. In any case, French rather than English. We Normans rather tend to look down on the Angevins and Plantagenets as Johnny-come-latelys, but at least he was French...

And we English tend look upon the Normans/Angevins/Plantagenets as Johnny-come-latelys, just as the Welsh look upon the English as Johnny-come-latelys, and just as … er, I don’t think there’s anyone left to look down on the Welsh …

[ahinton]

Ah yes, now which famous 19th Century duo opined that "the history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of class struggle"?

One who was evidently immune to charges of tautology.

[ahinton]

They interviewed someone on R4 - I don't remember the exact relationship, but he spoke with an American accent and assured us that he would not be claiming the throne.

Well, I don;t know who it was, but it couldn't have been Stephen Sondheim, otherwise he might have said
Isn't it Rich?
Are we a Rex?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-Leics.
Send in the archaeologists.

Isn't it fair?
Can one approve
One who keeps digging around
One who can't move?
Where are the the archaeologists?
Send in the the archaeologists.

Just when I'd stopped
Fighting the Wars,
Finally knowing
The Roses I wanted were yours,
Making my entrance again
With my usual flair,
Sure of my lines (as given me by Shakespeare),
No one's parked there.

Ho! what a farce;
My fault, I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want -
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the Middle Ages?
There ought to be Middle Ages.
Quick, send in the archaeologists.

What a surprise.
Who could foresee
That I'd be disinterred
Yet not come back as me?
Why only now when I see
That you'll take me away?
What a surprise.
What a cliché.

Am I not Rich?
Isn't it queer?
Losing my pay and display so late
In my career?
And where are the archaeologists?
Quick, send back the archaeologists.
They've reburied me - here.

A pity that archaeologists can do CAT scans but don't scan very well themselves.

Ah, well...

[ahinton]

If you distil the essence of these two volumes & get together with ahinton/MrGongGong/Suffolkcoastal, you could have the makings of a half-decent musical here, frenchie

For all you know I might be writing the music already.

Don't worry, though; I'm not...

[ahinton]

And we English tend look upon the Normans/Angevins/Plantagenets as Johnny-come-latelys, just as the Welsh look upon the English as Johnny-come-latelys, and just as … er, I don’t think there’s anyone left to look down on the Welsh …

NO one? Really? Funny how people so often overlook the Scots, isn't it? They'll remember us again all right when we've gone all independent...

[Nick Armstrong]

need to watch that press conference again.

There's a long programme about it this evening on C4 - Uni of Leicester have obviously been working in advance to give this all maximum coverage - unsurprisingly...

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/r...n-the-car-park

[teamsaint]

"A horse , a Horse" etc.

Incidentally, this place where he was found, was it a park and ride?

Actually, I have big worries about whether the certainty over this "discovery " has more to do with career building than actual fact, or probability.

[mangerton]

From the "Telegraph" article:

There had been calls for the remains to go to Westminster Cathedral, where the majority of medieval kings are buried,

Really?

[Ferretfancy]

Yes, I think so. The re-burial of the last English King to die on the battlefield, who has been found and identified by a combination of gut feeling, good old-fashioned detective work, and the latest scientific advances, and who could very easily have lain undiscovered for ever. I think that will be a truly remarkable moment, and a historic one to boot.

And there is to be a special museum and exhibition about the whole saga which will be opening next year as well.

It's enough to make me want to visit Leicester.....and I never thought I would be saying that!!!

I've not been to Leicester, I'm sure it's very nice, but I have been a couple of times to the site of the Battle of Bosworth. The gently rolling countryside is very attractive, and from the small visitor centre you can walk through the fields following the course of the conflict. OK, I know that there is plenty of argument about the location, but the place is full of atmosphere, very peaceful and worth a visit. No doubt it will be overrun by visitors this year, when we went we had the area to ourselves.
The spot where Richard was supposed to have met his end is only a few yards from the station of the Market Bosworth Light Railway from Shackerstone to Market Bosworth
choo! choo!

[Ferretfancy]

From the "Telegraph" article:

There had been calls for the remains to go to Westminster Cathedral, where the majority of medieval kings are buried,

Really?

Somebody must have dug them up and moved them down Victoria Street!

[scottycelt]

I've just read somewhere that one of the reasons the recently exhumed Dickie III was allegedly popular with his subjects in the North of England was because he 'dealt with the Scots'.

OHHH, DID HE, NOW ... ? ...

[scottycelt]

From the "Telegraph" article:

There had been calls for the remains to go to Westminster Cathedral, where the majority of medieval kings are buried,

Really?

Yes, and the Pope has just called it a miracle and claimed it as incontrovertible proof that Vincent Nichols is the true and rightful Archbishop of Canterbury.

[Nick Armstrong]

I've just read somewhere that one of the reasons the recently exhumed Dickie III was allegedly popular with his subjects in the North of England was because he 'dealt with the Scots'.

OHHH, DID HE, NOW ... ? ...