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  • Petrushka
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12242

    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    No, no, no. Having arranged for the transfer of the body of Henry VI (for whose murder in the tower of London he is 'credited' with relaying the order) from Chertsey Abbey to St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, it is only fitting that he join his brother Edward, who ordered the murder, in that same resting place.
    Well, you can see why a definitive decision needs to be made. All the competing bids need to be considered by ministers and a team of historians perhaps with royal input. Leaving the matter in the hands of Leicester University looks like a bad decision.
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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    • Flosshilde
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7988

      Just spread him around & make everyone happy. It won't be long before he's being credited with miracles & the next pope makes him a saint.

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        I still think that leicester is more appropriate. Akthough York and Westminster Abbey have strong, very strong claims.
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
          Just spread him around & make everyone happy. It won't be long before he's being credited with miracles & the next pope makes him a saint.

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26526

            Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
            I still think that leicester is more appropriate. Akthough York and Westminster Abbey have strong, very strong claims.
            The Plantagenets have won the first skirmish in the War of the Bones, securing the High Court's permission for a formal Judicial Review of the decision to bury the old boy properly in Leicester...


            Distant relatives of Richard III are granted permission for a judicial review of the decision to rebury the king's remains in Leicester.
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • Vile Consort
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 696

              It'll be a bit of a bugger for Leicester Cathedral if the York contingent wins: they are already re-ordering the cathedral and having a tomb constructed at a cost of £1m, apparently.

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              • salymap
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5969

                Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
                It'll be a bit of a bugger for Leicester Cathedral if the York contingent wins: they are already re-ordering the cathedral and having a tomb constructed at a cost of £1m, apparently.
                Goodness, Ithought it was settled ages ago. Don't things run on ?

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                • Suffolkcoastal
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3290

                  Any comments on the recent programme on Elizabeth Woodville and the suggestion from Philippa Gregory which she incorporates into 'The White Queen' that Margaret Beaufort via the Duke of Buckingham was actually behind the murder of the young princes (or possibly prince and imposter)?

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    Originally posted by salymap View Post
                    Goodness, Ithought it was settled ages ago. Don't things run on ?



                    I good excuse for me to go to Leicester Cathedral! I also work with someone who is descended from Edward I!
                    Don’t cry for me
                    I go where music was born

                    J S Bach 1685-1750

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                    • Anna

                      Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                      I good excuse for me to go to Leicester Cathedral! I also work with someone who is descended from Edward I!
                      Blimey BBM, you two with your John of Gaunt/Plantagenet connections and your Edward I friend must be related to most of the Crowned Heads of Europe!! Shame you both missed out on the inheritences of land and monies!! Wrong side of the blanket was it?

                      Seriously, I think he belongs to York because of the endowments he did there and other historical facts, if Leicester have jumped the gun and spent money in anticipation then that's too bad and rather foolish of them. (I once, trying to get through Leicester from Newark to Wales, because of major road works on the ring road, circled it at least four times, so I'm not fond of the town but I do like York a lot) I'm afraid I haven't watched The White Queen so cannot comment but I don't think Richard III was as black as he was painted by Shakespeare which, to be honest, was just current propagdanda

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                      • salymap
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5969

                        I go with that detective story - what was it called? The bedridden policemen decides Richard was innocent, sending all sround him to check out his clues. We don't know th truth and Shakespeare was out for a good plot, as
                        Anna says.

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                        • Historian
                          Full Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 641

                          Originally posted by salymap View Post
                          I go with that detective story - what was it called? The bedridden policemen decides Richard was innocent, sending all sround him to check out his clues. We don't know th truth and Shakespeare was out for a good plot, as
                          Anna says.
                          'The Daughter of Time', by Josephine Tey (truth being the offspring in question).

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            Originally posted by Anna View Post
                            Blimey BBM, you two with your John of Gaunt/Plantagenet connections and your Edward I friend must be related to most of the Crowned Heads of Europe!! Shame you both missed out on the inheritences of land and monies!! Wrong side of the blanket was it?

                            Seriously, I think he belongs to York because of the endowments he did there and other historical facts, if Leicester have jumped the gun and spent money in anticipation then that's too bad and rather foolish of them. (I once, trying to get through Leicester from Newark to Wales, because of major road works on the ring road, circled it at least four times, so I'm not fond of the town but I do like York a lot) I'm afraid I haven't watched The White Queen so cannot comment but I don't think Richard III was as black as he was painted by Shakespeare which, to be honest, was just current propagdanda
                            Well, my ancestors were born the right side of the blankets. The trouble was, one of John of Gaunt's offspring murdered another nobleman, and the king at the time(was it RII?), conviscated his lands, title, etc and he had to move out! He eventually settled(I think), in Norfolk, and eventually the family moved again(after a few hundred years), to the Faversham area of Kent.
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • salymap
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5969

                              Originally posted by Historian View Post
                              'The Daughter of Time', by Josephine Tey (truth being the offspring in question).
                              Thanks Historian, a good yarn but the print of paper-backs is too small for me now

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30257

                                Originally posted by salymap View Post
                                Thanks Historian, a good yarn but the print of paper-backs is too small for me now
                                Large print available from 0.66p. (with shipping £5.73).
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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