Originally posted by MrGongGong
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I agree, I don't care about the 'unkempt' part of the 'Horrible Histories' chap... just the rather gormless, crass commentary he provided on such an epic, exciting and in some ways solemn discovery."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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No wish to disturb liturgical matters, but if anyone hasn't seen the Richard III programme it's repeated tonight on Channel 4/7 at 9.00pmComment
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Originally posted by Anna View Post
I just gave my Aged P the same reminder! He didn't watch it originally as he thought it was presented by "that wretched man Tony Robinson"...! I wonder what he'll make of the replacements...
Seriously, there is sufficient substance to make it an interesting watch."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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one can very rarely have too much enthusiasm, what one wishes to avoid is ignorance and the shambling dissimulation we got from Mr SF ... cold eyed educated enthusiasm nothing like it ...for example compare with thisWe had quite enough enthusiasm - what we needed to balance it was cautious interest, and a little scepticism to start with.According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.Comment
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... what joy. I am in complete agreement with the Calibanesque agèd P - Tony Robinson is my most loathed person on the telly...Originally posted by Caliban View Post
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Paddy McGuinness? Kay Burley?Originally posted by vinteuil View Post... what joy. I am in complete agreement with the Calibanesque agèd P - Tony Robinson is my most loathed person on the telly...
Tony Robinson is Attenborough in comparison.Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
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... happy to say I don't know who P McGuinness or K Burley are.Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
Could you tell me where they are to be found (so that I can avoid if necessary... )
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It's a close race thoughOriginally posted by vinteuil View Post... what joy. I am in complete agreement with the Calibanesque agèd P - Tony Robinson is my most loathed person on the telly...
or even
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I bet the Sky's the limit, vintsOriginally posted by vinteuil View Post... happy to say I don't know who P McGuinness or K Burley are.
Could you tell me where they are to be found (so that I can avoid if necessary... )
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Kay Burley is a Sky News presenter, on in the afternoons, and is by a long stretch the weakest presenter in what is actually a very good line-up on a pretty good station.Originally posted by amateur51 View PostI bet the Sky's the limit, vints
Paddy McGuinness started out as a comedy actor in the rather excellent "Phoenix Nights", the series which launched Peter Kay to stardom. For some inexplicable reason he has since moved into presenting "entertainment" shows on ITV. And he is rubbish.Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
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Sky ?Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
What's that ?
Do you have any more information about it ?Comment
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They're hardly comparable though, are they?Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
Andrew Graham-Dixon is presenting his own ideas, his own expertise - of course he's enthusiastic about them.
But the presenter on a programme like the one we're talking about here must let the real experts speak for themselves. He's like the viewer, reacting to what they're telling him, gradually piecing it all together and finding it credible.Comment
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I've just watched the C4 OD (On Demand not overdose) of the Richard III programme
1. I found it factually very interesting - especially the insights into the scientific methods. Certainly very watchable (I could have done without the constant Shakespearean quotes, though).
2. It was popular history and science which is why Philippa Langley was a godsend to the producers - she adds the dimension of human interest to the 'story', emotions, hopes, fears, nervousness, all more immediate than the fate of 500-year-old king. Some of us could have done without that ...
3. I would have preferred less of an ingénu as a presenter Yes, it's for the experts to speak for themselves but perhaps a little bit more insight in the commentary and questions. I didn't mind the voice (or appearance - much). And although the BBC Culture Show clip started off with more polish, the hallmark intrusive music and constant gesticulating meant I watched for about 2 minutes.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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I could have done without so much Olivier, but a bit of Anthony Sher would have been nice:Originally posted by french frank View Post
They had so much real stuff to show that they did not fall back on Victorian imaginings too much, except for Millais' Princes in the Tower, and somebody's attempt at the battlefield scene of of Richard's death, presented as though it was evidence for what actually happened.
And as for music...Zadok the Priest was nicely regal, but probably not sung at Richard's coronation. They should have looked for something that might have been; was Robert Fayrfax already active by then? If not, who was?
Or of course they could have reconstructed a Sarum Requiem.
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Welsh soprano, Evelyn Nicholson (who's still rather good) tweeted the following:
"I hope people will respect the faith of #Richard III and bury him as the Catholic he was and not by a church which came along later on."
A fair point. To do otherwise would be insensitive. (I am not, and never have been a Catholic.)Comment
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