Originally posted by MrGongGong
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Oh well, that's alright then...
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
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No it's notOriginally posted by Mr Pee View PostOh well, that's alright then...
but you can't always believe what you read in the media
(which i guess you will interpret as meaning that I think it's ok to go out beating old people up with baseball bats)
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Not at all. It is indicative of a certain mindset there and elsewhere in the world. A mindset of intolerance. Care to point me in the direction of Moslems condemning this?Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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Originally posted by Resurrection Man View Post
and so on
but I guess this wasn't "reported" in the Mail as it doesn't fit their story
What IS worrying is that you have to ask for this, as you obviously are someone who has access to a variety of media sources , didn't you read this ? or hear it on the radio ?Comment
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How about ignoring the media and finding out for yourself?Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostFine
I guess part of my point is that it's easy to assume that what one reads in the media (any media not just the DM etc) as being accurate
many parts of London that are portrayed in the media as "dangerous" ARE dangerous IF you are a teenager from the "wrong" postcode
but not for the rest of us...... which is NOT to condone any of these despicable folk who are simply idiots looking for an excuse
Easily done.
Come and stay with me a few nights and we'll pop out in the car in the evening and I'll drop you in these areas that you think it's the wrong postcode teenagers that are at risk.
I'll come back in 45 minutes.
We'll do this a few evenings.
Each time you can tell me how you got on.
P.S. You've more in common with Tony Benn than you realise.Comment
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Oh I do have access to the media just as you do. One finds different spins on stories. Such as these about the East London Mosque. http://hurryupharry.org/2013/01/22/m...nd-homophobia/ Naturally I expect you will dismiss these as they don't fit in with your own prejudices/mindset. Two sides to every story. Sometimes three.Originally posted by MrGongGong View Posthttp://www.eastlondonmosque.org.uk/news/390
and so on
but I guess this wasn't "reported" in the Mail as it doesn't fit their story
What IS worrying is that you have to ask for this, as you obviously are someone who has access to a variety of media sources , didn't you read this ? or hear it on the radio ?
BTw, I don't read the Mail. Why do you automatically label people who disagree with you?Comment
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Are we going to get back on-topic?
It seems to me that the original topic has been exhausted.Comment
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It's not the only oneOriginally posted by amateur51 View Post
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Israel must withdraw all settlers from the West Bank or potentially face a case at the international criminal court (ICC) for serious violations of international law, says a report by a United Nations agency that was immediately dismissed in Jerusalem as "counterproductive and unfortunate".
All settlement activity in occupied territory must cease "without preconditions" and Israel "must immediately initiate a process of withdrawal of all settlers", said the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC). Israel, it said, was in violation of article 49 of the fourth Geneva convention, which forbids the transfer of civilian populations to occupied territory.
The settlements were "leading to a creeping annexation that prevents the establishment of a contiguous and viable Palestinian state and undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination," it said.
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Earlier this week, Israel became the first country to refuse to participate in a "universal periodic review" of the human rights records of the UN's 193 member states, conducted by the UNHRC.Comment
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""The report concludes that the goal behind the terror and violence of the Israeli settlers is to expel the Palestinians from their lands in order to expand illegal settlements; this is a clearly a form of forced transfer, and a proof of Israel's policy of ethnic cleansing," she said...."Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
it worked in 1947 - rinse + repeat for the next 60+ years - their USA 'client state' can guarantee that no security council recomendation will pass.Comment
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Eh?Originally posted by aka Calum Da JazboPatriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain.Comment
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Would you prefer a smaller Israel or no Israel? If it is the latter, should the area be returned to British,Turkish, Egyptian, Syrian or other rule? How would any change be resourced? How do you feel about the 'ethnic cleansing' that was the Jewish people exiled from Judea in 586 BC by the Babylonians and from Jerusalem in AD 136 by the Roman Empire, along with the Muslim conquests?Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
History shows that a guy was turfed out of his house and many others set up home there. A long time later he was permitted to return as long as he agreed to share. The squatters did their utmost to evict him as soon as he arrived using similar wipe-him-out tactics to ones used only two years earlier in Europe. For safety he gave them fewer rooms than they'd have had if welcoming.
The Jewish people have for centuries been the guy with eyeliner pushed around on a Whitechapel street except on an international scale. They are apparently to blame for having the gall to be anywhere. Given the atrocities that have often been committed by Europeans as well as folk in the Middle East across a millennium and more, do you not feel that we have some sort of responsibility to understand their perspective? Or are we to leave the EU to trade with those who have stated their wish to annihilate them?Last edited by Guest; 31-01-13, 16:02.Comment
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>>>> "a millennium"<<<< ....a ridiculous timescale to have to compute and calculate everytime when making any decision. I can deal with three or four generations, but hopefully I'll be talking about the people who are actually alive at that time MOSTLY into consideration....
....I do understand their perspective....it's a shame they haven't taken some of international communitiesw/UN's perspectives and advice over the last 50 years, instead of being railroaded and led to a place of intransigence by Zionists and Fundementalists, which is now linked to Right wing politics and a power elite....bong chingComment
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Your post is reasonable sounding which I welcome. But the UN resolution calling for a ceasefire in the Falklands conflict was vetoed by Britain and the US. British action in Iraq was not supported. Someone other than parents needs to advise teenagers about the disadvantages of alcohol if the parents drink themselves into oblivion every Saturday night. The Balfour Declaration was not drawn up by Israel but by Britain. Palestinian people rejected it but it still went ahead. We were largely responsible for changes in the region after WW2 too. I don't think it was a mistake but if some still do, they should blame the British Government and demand a solution. We'll have the first 100,000 Israelis close to Frances on the Isle of Man and the next bunch on a Cyber Hill Gazing at You.Originally posted by eighthobstruction View PostComment
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