Playing with trains/ HS2 & 3

[teamsaint]

Will this prove to be another Millennium Dome white elephant?

If they want to boost regional development, develop existing inter-regional railway lines.

And how about skipping London altogether. Newcastle-Plymouth anyone?

All this will do is boost house prices in Cheshire and Leeds, as the London commuter belt shifts ever further north.

The north can have the commuter belt as far as I am concerned !

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The MP for central Stoke is (at last) having second thoughts, now that he realises the thing isn't going to stop anywhere near the potteries.

It should go through The Potteries, rather than Crewe. But although this may be a vanity project for Dave and George, it should built, and built without this ridiculous delay. Imagine the French, Germans, Spanish, Belgians and Italians planning a railway they don't intend building for 14 years.

[teamsaint]

The next train out of Euston tonight to Manchester takes 2 hours 6 minutes.
Not bad really.

the last train to Manchester seems to be 10.00 PM.
is that right?

if so, that is feeble.

[teamsaint]

It should go through The Potteries, rather than Crewe. But although this may be a vanity project for Dave and George, it should built, and built without this ridiculous delay. Imagine the French, Germans, Spanish, Belgians and Italians planning a railway they don't intend building for 14 years.

I don't have a problem with a high speed railway, but there are more important priorities IMO.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Night trains are a thing of the past.

[MrGongGong]

Night trains are a thing of the past.

There are still some
you can go from York to Manchester airport all night
which means for some you can stay late at HCMF gigs
but not for most of us

[Mr Pee]

Here's a quick map of the route, just to remind us. It's pretty accurate, I think:-

[teamsaint]

last train to Salisbury 11.40 Pm which is fair enough.
last one to Southampton, just after midnight.

[teamsaint]

Good map, Mr P, but you missed out "here be Dragons" somewhere.

Also,according to Resurrection Man, the north is a World Heritage site, and there is a £16 admission fee, (like westmister Abbey) so that will have to be added to the fare.

[Barbirollians]

There are still some
you can go from York to Manchester airport all night
which means for some you can stay late at HCMF gigs
but not for most of us

Clegg failed to get Sheffield a station even - Sheffield will get an interchange at Meadowhall - a nightmare idea .

[AmpH]

Oh - and what happened to the essential redevelopments at Waterloo, now that Eurostar doesn't go there any more? Nothing! The requirement for the extra platforms at Waterloo to ease congestion in and out of that station seems to have stalled, and we still have congestion there.

There are plans it would seem ...... hopefully ! Scroll down to ' Other plans announced by Network Rail include ... '

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20936905

[Petrushka]

This article from today's DT gets it absolutely spot on in my view: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...the-good-news/

All this should have been done years ago but it is indeed yesterday's solution to tomorrow's problems.

[Serial_Apologist]

Apparently new lines do have to be built, owing to under-capacity on existing lines, said a govt mininster on the box tonight. No doubt ticket prices will be unaffordable, other than to business executives.

[teamsaint]

Apparently new lines do have to be built, owing to under-capacity on existing lines, said a govt mininster on the box tonight. No doubt ticket prices will be unaffordable, other than to business executives.

Mandy Rice -Davies?


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[Beef Oven]

last train to Salisbury 11.40 Pm which is fair enough.
last one to Southampton, just after midnight.

Sorry to hear that - have a look at this, it might cheer you up when you think about trains...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5c_WzgToXw