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  • Thropplenoggin

    #46
    Originally posted by JFLL View Post
    I agree with everything you say, and would like to add this about populism vs. elitism in the arts. One could argue that ‘populism’ in the provision of the arts is actually more elitist than ‘elitism’, because populists believe that ordinary people – unlike themselves, who are well-educated, cultured, etc. – are not capable of responding to what may be difficult, for instance much classical music, and so must be given a watered-down version, ‘classical lite’ (à la Classic FM), with difficulties smoothed away (‘Smooth Classics’). Whereas an elitist is less inclined to make such assumptions as to the abilities of ordinary people, but believes he/she should be given the best without compromise. Which image of the ordinary person is the more ‘elitist’?
    Doubleplus good, sir! I would like to fly-post this entry on every corridor in Broadcasting House, or wherever the BBC is these days!

    p.s. Is that red thing in your avatar a hedgehog?

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    • Thropplenoggin

      #47
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Spot on, JFLL - a point I've often thought about and which you put better than I have been doing in my head!
      Cric crac croc!

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26527

        #48
        Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
        Cric crac croc!
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • JFLL
          Full Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 780

          #49
          Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
          p.s. Is that red thing in your avatar a hedgehog?
          Thanks for the kind words, Thropple (and Caliban). Yes, Brahms used to frequent a Viennese restaurant called ‘The Red Hedgehog’ (Zum Roten Igel) – a few details here

          “… on his way back from Rote Igel or Kochschule he would stop at the Casino in the Stadtpark for relaxation. There I found him, with Dr. Münz, seated at a little marble table on the hig…


          Unfortunately my avatar might be taken to represent old Uncle Johannes kicking the hedgehog up in the air. Even he wasn’t as grumpy as that, I’d have thought.

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          • Thropplenoggin

            #50
            Originally posted by JFLL View Post
            Thanks for the kind words, Thropple (and Caliban). Yes, Brahms used to frequent a Viennese restaurant called ‘The Red Hedgehog’ (Zum Roten Igel) – a few details here

            “… on his way back from Rote Igel or Kochschule he would stop at the Casino in the Stadtpark for relaxation. There I found him, with Dr. Münz, seated at a little marble table on the hig…


            Unfortunately my avatar might be taken to represent old Uncle Johannes kicking the hedgehog up in the air. Even he wasn’t as grumpy as that, I’d have thought.
            Thanks for that, JFLL. An interesting read.

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #51
              Originally posted by JFLL View Post
              Thanks for the kind words, Thropple (and Caliban). Yes, Brahms used to frequent a Viennese restaurant called ‘The Red Hedgehog’ (Zum Roten Igel) – a few details here

              “… on his way back from Rote Igel or Kochschule he would stop at the Casino in the Stadtpark for relaxation. There I found him, with Dr. Münz, seated at a little marble table on the hig…


              Unfortunately my avatar might be taken to represent old Uncle Johannes kicking the hedgehog up in the air. Even he wasn’t as grumpy as that, I’d have thought.
              Ah, so it's not a red cat he's kicking?

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              • Sydney Grew
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 754

                #52
                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                . . . We resorted to stratagems to tell people the site existed, and if they were spotted, they were removed. . . .
                I know the feeling . . .

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                • Beef Oven

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Sydney Grew View Post
                  I know the feeling . . .
                  Lol!!

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                  • salymap
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5969

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    Sorry, but anyone turning up with a pseudonym that is a very poor attempt at lampooning Calum/Malcolm MacDonald is, for me, beneath contempt.
                    Actually Malcolmtalcum was one of the BBCSO's nicknames for Sargent, who powdered his nose with talcum for a TV appearance, much to their mirth.

                    Or maybe the troll just chanced upon the name

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #55
                      Still, rather poor showing salymap, eh?
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • salymap
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5969

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        Still, rather poor showing salymap, eh?
                        Agreed Bbm

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          #57
                          Originally posted by JFLL View Post
                          I agree with everything you say, and would like to add this about populism vs. elitism in the arts. One could argue that ‘populism’ in the provision of the arts is actually more elitist than ‘elitism’, because populists believe that ordinary people – unlike themselves, who are well-educated, cultured, etc. – are not capable of responding to what may be difficult, for instance much classical music, and so must be given a watered-down version, ‘classical lite’ (à la Classic FM), with difficulties smoothed away (‘Smooth Classics’). Whereas an elitist is less inclined to make such assumptions as to the abilities of ordinary people, but believes he/she should be given the best without compromise. Which image of the ordinary person is the more ‘elitist’?
                          Missed this last night, JFLL, but I totally agree with Cali and Thropple - superb!
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                            Still, rather poor showing salymap, eh?
                            Oh, yes; it was a feeble attempt, Bbm - but one given a grain of "justification" in that it led to JFLL's post.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16122

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              Sorry, but anyone turning up with a pseudonym that is a very poor attempt at lampooning Calum/Malcolm MacDonald is, for me, beneath contempt.
                              Calumny indeed...

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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                #60
                                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                                Calumny indeed...
                                Evidently a Malcolmtent.
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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