David Cameron's Europe Speech

[amateur51]

Now you know this runs until Jan 2014, so he's gonna be around for a little while longer!!!!!!

You been taking squirming lessons from scottycelt, Beefy?

[Beef Oven]

From where do you get such an absurd idea? Robert Simpson (an admirable symphonist in his own right) knew better than most about Bruckner's symphonies when he was alive; what he did not know, however (and I presume that this might be what you're going on about here), was just how much material Bruckner wrote in the finale of his Ninth Symphony - and, since so much of this material has come to light in recent times and Simpson died almost 16 years ago, he can hardly be blamed for that!

No, nothing to do with the ninth. Your ill-advised and unpleasantly forceful put-down of the Haas version of Bruckner 8 might have something to do with it.

[MrGongGong]

He's officially man of the year 2012, that's why we're all talking about him, and why you are labouring like a lion to research him!!!

I'm not a violent man by nature
but if ever there was a face in need of egging then this surely is the one !
(even without the spiv coat !)

and for the Geographically challenged

[Beef Oven]

I'm not a violent man by nature
but if ever there was a face in need of egging then this surely is the one !
(even without the spiv coat !)

and for the Geographically challenged

Good Heavens, I never knew Europe was as close as that!

[MrGongGong]

Good Heavens, I never knew Europe was as close as that!

I know it's amazing
i've heard that on a clear day you can actually see (and smell !!) it from Dover

Though I think (given your form in this area ) you probably need a bigger map

[Beef Oven]

I'm not a violent man by nature
but if ever there was a face in need of egging then this surely is the one !
(even without the spiv coat !)

Ok, happy now MrGG?

[Mr Pee]

Good Heavens, I never knew Europe was as close as that!

I know- it is close isn't it. I think Mr.GG hasn't realised that the blue stuff that surrounds us on that map is sea water.

[ahinton]

No, nothing to do with the ninth. Your ill-advised and unpleasantly forceful put-down of the Haas version of Bruckner 8 might have something to do with it.

Ah - well, thanks for the clarification. Dr Simpson and I might be to differ on this, then, but that does not mean that I think that I "know better" than him; it is, after all, well known that people tended to try to interfere with Bruckner's symphonic vision more than has ever been the case with most composers. I didn't "take advice" on my remarks on the Haas 8, nor was my remark either forceful, or a total put-down or even instigated by me but in response to Bryn's comments. Try to revert to arguing your kipper case if you must; at least it's on topic, sort of; the party statistics that I presented are at least correct rather than a matter of personal opinion.

[Beef Oven]

I know- it is close isn't it. I think Mr.GG hasn't realised that the blue stuff that surrouds us on that map is sea water.

MrGG might not have O-Level Geography, but he's got an O-Level in Henry V

[Beef Oven]

Ah - well, thanks for the clarification. Dr Simpson and I might be to differ on this, then, but that does not mean that I think that I "know better" than him; it is, after all, well known that people tended to try to interfere with Bruckner's symphonic vision more than has ever been the case with most composers. I didn't "take advice" on my remarks on the Haas 8, nor was my remark either forceful, or a total put-down or even instigated by me but in response to Bryn's comments. Try to revert to arguing your kipper case if you must; at least it's on topic, sort of; the party statistics that I presented are at least correct rather than a matter of personal opinion.

Great stats - and I thought the PC brigade had seen-orf Br'er Rabbit

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Europe doesn't exist, though the EU clearly does.
I've bored people to death for many years challenging the convention than Europe is a continent, which it clearly is not - merely the western bit of Asia.
It seems that the Bosporus is responsible, having been close to where the earliest reasonable world maps were made. That was where the division between the continents was first made, but the Black Sea is really quote small, so later the artificial boundary between the so-called continents was drawn through the Caspian Sea and any mountain ranges that could be found - the Urals and the Caucasus. So imprecise is this arrangement that no-one is really sure whether Mont Blanc or Mt.
Elbrus is the highest mountain in the "continent" of Europe.

[Beef Oven]

Europe doesn't exist, though the EU clearly does.
I've bored people to death for many years challenging the convention than Europe is a continent, which it clearly is not - merely the western bit of Asia.
It seems that the Bosporus is responsible, having been close to where the earliest reasonable world maps were made. That was where the division between the continents was first made, but the Black Sea is really quote small, so later the artificial boundary between the so-called continents was drawn through the Caspian Sea and any mountain ranges that could be found - the Urals and the Caucasus. So imprecise is this arrangement that no-one is really sure whether Mont Blanc or Mt.
Elbrus is the highest mountain in the "continent" of Europe.

So when Turkey joins the EU, Mount Ararat will be the highest mountain?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

So when Turkey joins the EU, Mount Ararat will be the highest mountain?

No that's Everest, much further to the east of our huge continent of Eurasia.
But further to your point, Israel regards itself as European when it suits them; e.g. The Eurovision Song Contest.

[mangerton]

I'm not a violent man by nature
but if ever there was a face in need of egging then this surely is the one !
(even without the spiv coat !)

and for the Geographically challenged

Where did you get that map? They can't even spell "Edinburgh".

[scottycelt]

I know- it is close isn't it. I think Mr.GG hasn't realised that the blue stuff that surrounds us on that map is sea water.

The English Channel is more of a sort of permanent flood water.

The pro-European Romans had little difficulty in boating across it, though they came a right cropper further north.

I heard a youngish man interviewed on television yesterday protesting that we are much closer to America than Europe.

Mmmmmmmmm ... fancy a couple of solo boat rides, kiddo ... ?