Popular music is stuck almost exclusively in 4/4 time

[johncorrigan]

Those cash payments? No need to mention them old boy.

Too right, sir - wouldn't want young Lat to know that I get special treatment and Northern Bawbee Rates. Postal order in the inbox!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vApPwWqh8

4/4 I assume.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Beyonce was criticised for miming to her pre recorded performance of The Star Spangled Banner. She responded by singing it again - live, but 100% in 4/4 time, however anyone wants to dress it up.

[Globaltruth]

Beyonce was criticised for miming to her pre recorded performance of The Star Spangled Banner. She responded by singing it again - live, but 100% in 4/4 time, however anyone wants to dress it up.

I loved the focus of attention on this in the media, a great example of trivialisation.

Did anyone see reported what Obama actually said at his inauguration?

No doubt it was in 4/4 time though...

[MrGongGong]

Beyonce was criticised for miming to her pre recorded performance of The Star Spangled Banner. .

A pedantic point of clarity
she didn't "mime" as in "pretending to sing" rather she sang it WITH the recording ....

[Globaltruth]

Moved from World Music forum as Platform 3 seemed a better place for you to discuss Beyonce et al.

[cloughie]

The simplified shuffle 2/2 tum-to-tum-to-tum blues-based railroad beat has been built on, basically, by cultural importations, amended, exported back to countries in which what we call complex rhythms have for as long as is known been the norm, and re-imported re-amended to western cultures in various degrees of camouflage, most noticeable of which possibly being the domineering backbeat. It is largely a matter of western industrial interests refracting through neocultural imperialism by way of the music industry. To what extent music is capable of changing history, a dream of some in the 60s and 70s, will I think be seen in the extent to which the demise of mass reproduction music retail outlets frees creativity from the clutches of its erstwhile control, allowing musicians to do what they want. But for that to eventuate will require openess to musical influences beyond those the existence of which most if not all have little knowledge. Who, then, will be able to claim this, rather than that, elitist?

Is that the 'Bo Diddley' beat?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

A pedantic point of clarity
she didn't "mime" as in "pretending to sing" rather she sang it WITH the recording ....

I didn't notice two voices.

[Mr Pee]

I didn't notice two voices.

As Mr GG said, he was being pedantic. Miming or singing along inaudibly, it amounts to the same thing. What we heard was pre-recorded, not sung live. That's miming in my book.

[MrGongGong]

As Mr GG said, he was being pedantic. Miming or singing along inaudibly, it amounts to the same thing. What we heard was pre-recorded, not sung live. That's miming in my book.

Except she was singing but we didn't hear it ............

[Mr Pee]

Except she was singing but we didn't hear it ............

Which is miming in my book.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

What we heard was pre-recorded, not sung live. That's miming in my book.

And in mine too.
I once conducted a band in the gardens of a stately home, in which the band's contribution had to be curtailed to allow a young singer sang for around 20 minutes. We felt insulted as he mimed the whole way through. If they can't perform live, perhaps they should pursue a different career.

[MrGongGong]

Not in mine
though the question of whether it was any good or not is something else entirely
So, imagine that you had no idea that she was singing along to a pre-recorded version
would that be the same ?

and / or

if singing you can't hear = miming .... it follows that ALL music that you aren't currently listening to is also miming

(Simon Emmerson's chapter Relocating the 'live' in this book is worth reading and not just for those interested in electronic musics http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754655480)

[Mr Pee]

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if singing you can't hear = miming .... it follows that ALL music that you aren't currently listening to is also miming

Oh dear......

No, it doesn't follow at all. Nonsense.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I think it's called arguing black is white.

[Mr Pee]

So, imagine that you had no idea that she was singing along to a pre-recorded version
would that be the same ?

Yes, because she would still be miming. It's really very simple.....