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  • Pabmusic
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    • May 2011
    • 5537

    #16
    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
    I'd chip in Derek Bourgeois's 'Serenade' for amusement, memorability and playability - and also a good anecdote (cf the blurb here http://www.windrep.org/Serenade_(Bourgeois) )

    Well within the capacity of amateurs of the age you mention. I had the pleasure of playing it with a youth orchestra under the composer's baton (and we got the 'wedding' story from the horse's mouth )
    The Bourgeois Serenade is superb. There is a bar of 4/4 (or maybe it's 3/4) at the end, so it's not all that awkward.

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    • Pabmusic
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      • May 2011
      • 5537

      #17
      Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
      It is, but it's not for Wind Orchestra, by which I think the OP means a Symphonic Wind Band, with Orchestral Brass and French Horns as well as 3 or 4 clarinet parts and the full Orchestral Wind Section, Saxophones etc.
      The Dvorak needs a cello and double bass.

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      • Pabmusic
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        • May 2011
        • 5537

        #18
        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        That's right. A concert band is a relatively badly balanced affair, with an excess of screechy woodwind and often excessive percussion. A wind orchestra is quite a different animal.
        A concert band/symphonic band or military band is a group of woodwind, brass and percussion that follows a reasonably well established format, with a large number of clarinets replacing the strings of an orchestra, many to a part. Writing for such an ensemble is largely a matter of writing for a 'core' of 2 flutes and piccolo, oboe (possibly), 4 clarinets, 3 saxophones, bassoon (possibly), 4 horns (French horns usually), 3 cornets/trumpets, 3 trombones, euphonium, tuba, timps & percussion. To this core can be added a host of other things, of course, and American wind bands employ them all - exotic woodwind, harp, string bass, Wagner tubas if they can.

        I'm not sure what a 'wind orchestra' is - it's certainly only a very general term. Some composers, such as Gounod, wrote pieces for the wind section of a symphony orchestra, but they only require a few players, one to a part. Gounod's Petite Symphonies needs nine players, whereas Holst's E-flat Suite is truly unusual in that it can be performed by as few as 19 players!

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        • teamsaint
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          • Nov 2010
          • 25103

          #19
          Just to clarify, this particular "Symphonic Wind orchestra " has:

          Clarinets 1/2/3
          Eb/Alto/Bass Clarinet
          Flutes 1/2/3
          piccolo
          Oboes(4 players)
          Bassoon
          Alto/Tenor/Baritone Sax.
          Trumpets 1/2/3
          Cornets 1/2/3
          Trombone 1/2
          horn 1/2/3
          Euphonium 2 players
          Tuba
          percussion.
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • Hornspieler
            Late Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 1847

            #20
            Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
            A concert band/symphonic band or military band is a group of woodwind, brass and percussion that follows a reasonably well established format, with a large number of clarinets replacing the strings of an orchestra, many to a part. Writing for such an ensemble is largely a matter of writing for a 'core' of 2 flutes and piccolo, oboe (possibly), 4 clarinets, 3 saxophones, bassoon (possibly), 4 horns (French horns usually), 3 cornets/trumpets, 3 trombones, euphonium, tuba, timps & percussion. To this core can be added a host of other things, of course, and American wind bands employ them all - exotic woodwind, harp, string bass, Wagner tubas if they can.

            I'm not sure what a 'wind orchestra' is - it's certainly only a very general term. Some composers, such as Gounod, wrote pieces for the wind section of a symphony orchestra, but they only require a few players, one to a part. Gounod's Petite Symphonies needs nine players, whereas Holst's E-flat Suite is truly unusual in that it can be performed by as few as 19 players!
            In other words, a Military Band.

            Check out Paul Harvey and Gordon Langford from this country and possibly some of the American composers, such as Morton Gould, who wrote a lot for U.S. High School Bands; whose levels of expertise would probably be very similar to your own group.

            Sorry, I don't know any specific pieces to suggest.

            HS

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            • Pabmusic
              Full Member
              • May 2011
              • 5537

              #21
              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
              Just to clarify, this particular "Symphonic Wind orchestra " has:

              Clarinets 1/2/3
              Eb/Alto/Bass Clarinet
              Flutes 1/2/3
              piccolo
              Oboes(4 players)
              Bassoon
              Alto/Tenor/Baritone Sax.
              Trumpets 1/2/3
              Cornets 1/2/3
              Trombone 1/2
              horn 1/2/3
              Euphonium 2 players
              Tuba
              percussion.
              Any of the military/symphonic band pieces suggested already should do - the two Holst Suites and the RVW Folk Song Suite are really well known and straightforward, and are written so that some parts (clarinet 4, for instance) can be omitted without great loss - though you should check all this. They're easy to get hold of, too (purchase from Boosey & Hawkes or hire from a library)..

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              • Boilk
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 974

                #22
                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                I'd chip in Derek Bourgeois's 'Serenade' for amusement, memorability and playability
                There's actually an awful lot of Bourgeois concert band music, but it may be hard to get ahold of recordings. The listing usefully has timings too

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                • BBMmk2
                  Late Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20908

                  #23
                  What's the standard opf this WO? Philip Sparke, Edward Gregson andPeter Graham spring to mind
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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25103

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                    What's the standard opf this WO? Philip Sparke, Edward Gregson andPeter Graham spring to mind
                    Most of the players would be around grade 8 standard. Some a bit beyond that, and a few considerably so. But Grade 8 is probably the mark, BBM.
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #25
                      okay, so the above composers I mentioned could well be in the running for your WO! Sparke, Gregson, Peter Graham and Philip Wilby?
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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