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  • bluestateprommer
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    • Nov 2010
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    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
    Not a ramble at all, bsp - I'm grateful for the time & effort it must have taken, it was a fascinating post & well worth reading. Many thanks
    Much thanks for the kind words from all. It actually was just a matter of simply logging in and starting to type ;) , although in retrospect, it took something like 30 minutes. But continuing the ramble, it's interesting to look in a bit more depth at what the potential candidates bring to the table, as well as looking at their current posts and how flexible or open they'd be to moving on something possibly bigger.

    Starting with Nelsons, his CBSO contract is officially through 2014/2015, and then becomes an evergreen contract, on something like an annual rolling renewal, subject to a year's notice if one side wants out, although I can guess that if and when Nelsons decides that it's time to go, he'll give at least 2 years notice, again to set enough time for the orchestra to do a decently thorough search. I do remember reading somewhere that Nelsons was hoping to be with the CBSO through its centenary year, which falls in 2020. If he were to stay through all of 2020, into the end of the 2020-2021 season, that would make 13 seasons, a pretty good run. Nelsons would be 43 by then. But if he got the nod for the BPO, it's hard to predict if he'd try to juggle both posts.

    In terms of repertoire, my impression of Nelsons is that his programs are pretty much meat-and-potatoes standard fare, without many forays into contemporary music. For example, in the Philharmonia Orchestra's concert schedule for 2013-2014, he's leading a Brahms cycle, and he's in the midst of a Beethoven cycle with the CBSO currently. Admittedly, I've obviously never seen him conduct in Birmingham (or indeed elsewhere), so I may need correction on the breadth of his programming. But if the BPO wants to stay with a more forward-looking conductor in terms of repertoire, then Nelsons' relatively tight focus on the core standards might count against him. I'm sure he has the brain cells to tackle more contemporary or thornier repertoire such as what Rattle likes to do, but the question is whether Nelsons feels self-motivated enough to "branch out" more. In fairness, he is scheduled to conduct Mark-Anthony Turnage's new cello concerto later this year in Leipzig. I think, however, that the CBSO is Nelsons' only main post, which is a relative advantage in that he's not stretched too thin that way.

    Volkov has the Iceland Symphony Orchestra as his only major post, I believe, so he's like Nelsons in that regard. However, from my limited impressions, Volkov strikes me as someone with greater interest in contemporary and more offbeat repertoire, so he could have an edge over Nelsons there. However, I don't know if Volkov has guested with the BPO, so there may not be any chemistry or relationship there as of this time.

    Dudamel obviously has the SBSO and the LA Phil, and he's contracted with LA through 2009. I remember that he's really devoted to his Venezuelan orchestra and won't give up the SBSO any time soon. He did recently give up the principal conductorship of the Gothenburg Symphony, which cuts down on his travel a bit, although he's obviously still racking up the frequent flier miles otherwise. If he were elected and he took it in 2008, he'd be 27, a scarily young age to be taking on a group like the BPO. Plus, one of his 2 main posts would probably have to go, and it might well be LA, although I suspect that he wants to leave a strong Sistema-like legacy in LA, and that's going to take a lot of time and what attention he can spare them. Also, on the question of contemporary repertoire, I don't know that Dudamel would be strong with the continental European modernist composers, again putting him in a similar situation like Nelsons.

    There's also YNS, about whom, BTW, there was this recent NYT article from this past Sunday:



    I was remiss in forgetting that YNS also has his Montreal orchestra, the Orchestre Metropolitan, although they don't have a full near-weekly schedule like the Rotterdam Philharmonic or The Philadelphia Orchestra. His Montreal orchestra's schedule is more on the order of a concert every few weeks, almost monthly, it seems. Thus it's not a hugely onerous commitment, but from the article above, he has obvious sentimental ties in terms of that orchestra giving him the opportunity to build up his repertoire over the years. Of course, there's also the personal connection that YNS' partner is a violist in that orchestra, so that would be a reason not to stray too far from Montreal. It's kind of interesting that Daniel Wakin indulges in a bit of gossipy speculation (but at least of a positive sort, unlike the "Slipped Disc" fool) that YNS could be potentially music director at the Metropolitan Opera down the line, which is an interesting thought.

    Again from looking at his programs with his various orchestras, including his guest dates as principal guest conductor of the LPO, YNS also tends to stick fairly closely to the standard repertoire, IMHO, although with a greater penchant for choral works, since he started as a choral conductor. His sidebars into contemporary music seem relatively minimal, again IMHO a potential disadvantage with the BPO. I also think his BPO debut wasn't all that long ago, around October 2010, so there hasn't been much time to build up a relationship there.

    BTW, if anyone wants a chance to hear YNS with The Philadelphia Orchestra, one of the Philadelphia radio stations, WRTI (Temple University) is broadcasting the Carnegie Hall performance that took place tonight of the Fabulous (more or less, following the bankruptcy) Philadelphians, YNS, and Leonidas Kavakos this coming Sunday, at 2 PM Philadelphia time, which I think works out to 7 PM UK time. There's a WRTI blog post in advance of tonight's concert here:



    The Carnegie link, just for the record: http://www.carnegiehall.org/Calendar...hia-Orchestra/

    Program note from The Philadelphia Orchestra's page: http://www.philorch.org/sites/defaul...ostakovich.pdf

    Also, for the record, the original concerto was supposed to be a new violin concerto by Osvaldo Golijov, but he didn't finish the commission in time.

    I listened to this concert, and I should warn you that you do have to put up with the US public radio "style" of the hosts in question, which may at times make you appreciate R3 people a little better. But there's always a price to be paid somewhere. I found some quirks in the interpretations of the Ravel and DSCH, but if anyone wants to listen on their own, I don't want to bias anyone. Also, remember that we don't have the equivalent of iPlayer here on the various individual radio stations here, so if you want to hear this concert, you have to listen at the designated time.

    And this still leaves the older guys to consider regarding the BPO. That may have to wait until another time :) .
    Last edited by bluestateprommer; 18-01-13, 05:27.

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    • amateur51

      Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
      Much thanks for the kind words from all. It actually was just a matter of simply logging in and starting to type ;) , although in retrospect, it took something like 30 minutes. But continuing the ramble, it's interesting to look in a bit more depth at what the potential candidates bring to the table, as well as looking at their current posts and how flexible or open they'd be to moving on something possibly bigger.

      Starting with Nelsons, his CBSO contract is officially through 2014/2015, and then becomes an evergreen contract, on something like an annual rolling renewal, subject to a year's notice if one side wants out, although I can guess that if and when Nelsons decides that it's time to go, he'll give at least 2 years notice, again to set enough time for the orchestra to do a decently thorough search. I do remember reading somewhere that Nelsons was hoping to be with the CBSO through its centenary year, which falls in 2020. If he were to stay through all of 2020, into the end of the 2020-2021 season, that would make 13 seasons, a pretty good run. Nelsons would be 43 by then. But if he got the nod for the BPO, it's hard to predict if he'd try to juggle both posts.

      In terms of repertoire, my impression of Nelsons is that his programs are pretty much meat-and-potatoes standard fare, without many forays into contemporary music. For example, in the Philharmonia Orchestra's concert schedule for 2013-2014, he's leading a Brahms cycle, and he's in the midst of a Beethoven cycle with the CBSO currently. Admittedly, I've obviously never seen him conduct in Birmingham (or indeed elsewhere), so I may need correction on the breadth of his programming. But if the BPO wants to stay with a more forward-looking conductor in terms of repertoire, then Nelsons' relatively tight focus on the core standards might count against him. I'm sure he has the brain cells to tackle more contemporary or thornier repertoire such as what Rattle likes to do, but the question is whether Nelsons feels self-motivated enough to "branch out" more. In fairness, he is scheduled to conduct Mark-Anthony Turnage's new cello concerto later this year in Leipzig. I think, however, that the CBSO is Nelsons' only main post, which is a relative advantage in that he's not stretched too thin that way.

      Volkov has the Iceland Symphony Orchestra as his only major post, I believe, so he's like Nelsons in that regard. However, from my limited impressions, Volkov strikes me as someone with greater interest in contemporary and more offbeat repertoire, so he could have an edge over Nelsons there. However, I don't know if Volkov has guested with the BPO, so there may not be any chemistry or relationship there as of this time.

      Dudamel obviously has the SBSO and the LA Phil, and he's contracted with LA through 2009. I remember that he's really devoted to his Venezuelan orchestra and won't give up the SBSO any time soon. He did recently give up the principal conductorship of the Gothenburg Symphony, which cuts down on his travel a bit, although he's obviously still racking up the frequent flier miles otherwise. If he were elected and he took it in 2008, he'd be 27, a scarily young age to be taking on a group like the BPO. Plus, one of his 2 main posts would probably have to go, and it might well be LA, although I suspect that he wants to leave a strong Sistema-like legacy in LA, and that's going to take a lot of time and what attention he can spare them. Also, on the question of contemporary repertoire, I don't know that Dudamel would be strong with the continental European modernist composers, again putting him in a similar situation like Nelsons.

      There's also YNS, about whom, BTW, there was this recent NYT article from this past Sunday:



      I was remiss in forgetting that YNS also has his Montreal orchestra, the Orchestre Metropolitan, although they don't have a full near-weekly schedule like the Rotterdam Philharmonic or The Philadelphia Orchestra. His Montreal orchestra's schedule is more on the order of a concert every few weeks, almost monthly, it seems. Thus it's not a hugely onerous commitment, but from the article above, he has obvious sentimental ties in terms of that orchestra giving him the opportunity to build up his repertoire over the years. Of course, there's also the personal connection that YNS' partner is a violist in that orchestra, so that would be a reason not to stray too far from Montreal. It's kind of interesting that Daniel Wakin indulges in a bit of gossipy speculation (but at least of a positive sort, unlike the "Slipped Disc" fool) that YNS could be potentially music director at the Metropolitan Opera down the line, which is an interesting thought.

      Again from looking at his programs with his various orchestras, including his guest dates as principal guest conductor of the LPO, YNS also tends to stick fairly closely to the standard repertoire, IMHO, although with a greater penchant for choral works, since he started as a choral conductor. His sidebars into contemporary music seem relatively minimal, again IMHO a potential disadvantage with the BPO. I also think his BPO debut wasn't all that long ago, around October 2010, so there hasn't been much time to build up a relationship there.

      BTW, if anyone wants a chance to hear YNS with The Philadelphia Orchestra, one of the Philadelphia radio stations, WRTI (Temple University) is broadcasting the Carnegie Hall performance that took place tonight of the Fabulous (more or less, following the bankruptcy) Philadelphians, YNS, and Leonidas Kavakos this coming Sunday, at 2 PM Philadelphia time, which I think works out to 7 PM UK time. There's a WRTI blog post in advance of tonight's concert here:



      The Carnegie link, just for the record: http://www.carnegiehall.org/Calendar...hia-Orchestra/

      Program note from The Philadelphia Orchestra's page: http://www.philorch.org/sites/defaul...ostakovich.pdf

      Also, for the record, the original concerto was supposed to be a new violin concerto by Osvaldo Golijov, but he didn't finish the commission in time.

      I listened to this concert, and I should warn you that you do have to put up with the US public radio "style" of the hosts in question, which may at times make you appreciate R3 people a little better. But there's always a price to be paid somewhere. I found some quirks in the interpretations of the Ravel and DSCH, but if anyone wants to listen on their own, I don't want to bias anyone. Also, remember that we don't have the equivalent of iPlayer here on the various individual radio stations here, so if you want to hear this concert, you have to listen at the designated time.

      And this still leaves the older guys to consider regarding the BPO. That may have to wait until another time :) .
      Another outstanding and interesting post, BSP - many thanks agaon

      Just one correction - Dudamel is currently 31 (born 1981) and I assume that you meant 2018, not 2008, at which time he'd be 37 still quite young in professional terms but he has been in the role for a long time.

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      • LHC
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        • Jan 2011
        • 1556

        The press in Munich have announced that Gergiev is to be the next Music Director of the Munich Philharmonic, taking over from Lorin Maazel in 2015. Although not a done deal as yet (the Munich City Council still has to approve his appointment), this would seem to rule him out of the BPO job, especially as he will be combining this with his jobs in St Petersburg and London.
        "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
        Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by LHC View Post
          The press in Munich have announced that Gergiev is to be the next Music Director of the Munich Philharmonic, taking over from Lorin Maazel in 2015. Although not a done deal as yet (the Munich City Council still has to approve his appointment), this would seem to rule him out of the BPO job, especially as he will be combining this with his jobs in St Petersburg and London.
          So is Maazel pencilled in for the Liverpool job when Petrenko decides to move on?

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          • DracoM
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            • Mar 2007
            • 12963

            < So is Maazel pencilled in for the Liverpool job when Petrenko decides to move on? >

            NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
            Please, no!

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              21:30 HRS tonight 18/01/13 - Berlin Phil DCH - "In Vain" by G.F.Haas.

              Which Rattle calls the first true masterpiece of the 21st Century... still time to find his intro to it on DCH...
              But just - listen if you can...

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              • amateur51

                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                < So is Maazel pencilled in for the Liverpool job when Petrenko decides to move on? >

                NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
                Please, no!
                Oh sorry Draco, it was a joke old pal

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                • DracoM
                  Host
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 12963

                  P-H-E-E-E-E-E-E-W-W-W-W-W-W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26524

                    More musical chairs... well, podia...

                    Gergiev's off, according to Duchen and Lebrecht

                    Classical music blog by journalist and author Jessica Duchen. Topics include classical music, opera, ballet, recordings, books. London, UK.


                    Has anyone heard/seen Gábor Takács-Nagy, about whom she speaks?

                    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?feat...2R1Fg_q5WZ2EZ9
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26524

                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      More musical chairs... well, podia...

                      Gergiev's off, according to Duchen and Lebrecht

                      Classical music blog by journalist and author Jessica Duchen. Topics include classical music, opera, ballet, recordings, books. London, UK.

                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      I wonder what [Rattle] has in mind for his next move?




                      Did anyone open a book on this? What are the odds on Mr Service's desired outcome:

                      http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/toms...tra?CMP=twt_fd ?
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • amateur51

                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post




                        Did anyone open a book on this? What are the odds on Mr Service's desired outcome:

                        http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/toms...tra?CMP=twt_fd ?
                        It would suit me and the LSO (and Sir N Kenyon) nicely I'm sure
                        but I guess it depends as much on what Rattle's young family needs as anything else.
                        Last edited by Guest; 28-06-13, 11:11. Reason: young

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 12963

                          OK: ladders and snakes for fun:
                          Levine is too ill to run the Met, so my bet is that Pappano gets his job. So ROCG possibility for Big Si?
                          After Rattle, how about Andris Nelsons at the BPO except he's only just taken on the Boston SO, so......my guess FWIW is that it might not be Thielmann given recent ins and outs. Could be Esa Pekka-Salonen for BPO?

                          Maybe Petrenko to the LSO?

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26524

                            Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                            OK: ladders and snakes for fun:
                            Levine is too ill to run the Met, so my bet is that Pappano gets his job. So ROCG possibility for Big Si?
                            After Rattle, how about Andris Nelsons at the BPO. [My guess is that it might not be Thielmann given recent ins and outs.] Or Esa Pekka-Salonen at BPO?
                            AN has gone to the BSO - he's Boston-bound http://www.bso.org/brands/bso/featur...s-nelsons.aspx
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • amateur51

                              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                              AN has gone to the BSO - he's Boston-bound http://www.bso.org/brands/bso/featur...s-nelsons.aspx
                              "Is that like being egg-bound?" a viewer writes

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 12963

                                You must have looked at my INcomplete posting.

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