So who will be the Berlin Phil.'s music director once Sir Simon leaves?

[Petrushka]

Thanks for your thoughtful, extensive, fascinating and insightful analysis bluestateprommer.

Absolutely agree! It is posts like that that make this forum such a great place to be and puts some of the silly posts on this thread well in the shade.

Great stuff!

[Nick Armstrong]

Hmm, pretty long ramble here (sorry)

On the contrary, detailed, lucid and very stimulating! I'm grateful to others for referring back, can't understand how I missed reading it earlier

My only (totally subjective) difference of bias is that it's a painful thought to think of Jurowski leaving the LPO to which I have great allegiance. But that's silly of me, as in 5 years, chances are he'll be off anyway... and is likely to be back regularly, I should have thought.

Thank you bsp for such a fascinating post!

[pastoralguy]

The announcement that Abbado would be leaving the BPO in 2002 after the expiration of his contract there came on a TV interview in 1998. No one in the orchestra had been aware that Abbado was thinking of leaving, so they were completely blindsided by this statement. And I remember reading that there was musician discontent then as well.

Abbado and the Berlin Phil. played 2 concerts at the Edinburgh Festival shortly after the announcement and many were disappointed that such a team could give such dull, routine performances. Abbado conducted whilst appearing to inspect the ceiling and the players barely glanced his way. There was little doubting the degree of frost in the air.

(Ps. Great post, BSP!)

[jayne lee wilson]

Yes, get back to your den, I've got much bigger howls of my own, thank you very much ...

I've already waited 3 hours 50 mins for last night's concert from Berlin to be 'edited' so I can view it ... so much for German technical expertise and efficiency.

Let me introduce you to a stunning new concept... LIVE CONCERTS. UNEDITED. AS - IT - HAPPENS. NOW. PRESENTLY.
Shame people seem more interested in futuristic speculation than in listening to the wondrous, evolving creature that is the Berlin Philharmonic today. And it's just sitting (or playing) there, waiting for you. Is 9.90 euro too much?

G.F.Haas, Dutilleux, Lutoslawski, Tippett...! Rattle in Berlin...! Next few weeks!
Oh, never mind...

[BBMmk2]

Let me introduce you to a stunning new concept... LIVE CONCERTS. UNEDITED. AS - IT - HAPPENS. NOW. PRESENTLY.
Shame people seem more interested in futuristic speculation than in listening to the wondrous, evolving creature that is the Berlin Philharmonic today. And it's just sitting (or playing) there, waiting for you. Is 9.90 euro too much?

G.F.Haas, Dutilleux, Lutoslawski, Tippett...! Rattle in Berlin...! Next few weeks!
Oh, never mind...

What'sthat in Sterling?

[kernelbogey]

Reading this fascinating thread - especially BSP's brilliant disquisition (post 140) - I realise that I don't know much about most of these conductors. I don't particularly follow who's where, who has this post or these posts etc. Of course I know the better-known names - Rattle, Barenboim, Abbado et al - but haven't particularly followed their careers.

I know of Jurowski, Nelsons and many others mentioned here. My question is, where could I look for more biographical information - a more reliable, consistent, up to date and authoritative source than Wikipedia?

[scottycelt]

Let me introduce you to a stunning new concept... LIVE CONCERTS. UNEDITED. AS - IT - HAPPENS. NOW. PRESENTLY.
Shame people seem more interested in futuristic speculation than in listening to the wondrous, evolving creature that is the Berlin Philharmonic today. And it's just sitting (or playing) there, waiting for you. Is 9.90 euro too much?

G.F.Haas, Dutilleux, Lutoslawski, Tippett...! Rattle in Berlin...! Next few weeks!
Oh, never mind...

Actually, I was otherwise engaged on Friday evening so was quite unable to listen to the concert live. I parted with my precious virtual Euro tenner at 18.26 yesterday evening and at 08.05 this morning the video is still 'being edited' and therefore still not available for viewing.

You are right about the live concerts, Jayne ... and the BPDCH is almost as wondrous as the orchetra. It's just that I'm now beginning to seriously wonder whether I'll see my selected concert at all before the 48-hour period expires.

Ah well, I can always explore the rest of the archive facility, I suppose ... c'est la vie!

[pastoralguy]

Let me introduce you to a stunning new concept... LIVE CONCERTS. UNEDITED. AS - IT - HAPPENS. NOW. PRESENTLY.
Shame people seem more interested in futuristic speculation than in listening to the wondrous, evolving creature that is the Berlin Philharmonic today. And it's just sitting (or playing) there, waiting for you. Is 9.90 euro too much?

G.F.Haas, Dutilleux, Lutoslawski, Tippett...! Rattle in Berlin...! Next few weeks!
Oh, never mind...

Mrs. PG is giving me a subscription to this site for my birthday! That AND a tablet to watch it on will make for a very happy PG!!

[amateur51]

Hmm, pretty long ramble here (sorry). In short, I don't know whom the BPO musicians will choose, but they'll obviously go their own way, regardless of what any of us think. But it will be fun to watch, if from a distance.

Not a ramble at all, bsp - I'm grateful for the time & effort it must have taken, it was a fascinating post & well worth reading. Many thanks

[amateur51]

What'sthat in Sterling?

About £8 by my calculations, BBM. Worth a pop I'd say as it's all original material unavailable elsewhere, unlike a certain well-advertised celestial broadcaster

Thanks for the prompt, jlw

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Not a ramble at all, bsp

- I'm grateful for the time & effort it must have taken

it was a fascinating post & well worth reading. Many thanks

[Stunsworth]

Mrs. PG is giving me a subscription to this site for my birthday! That AND a tablet to watch it on will make for a very happy PG!!

If that tablet happens to be an iPad, there's an app for that...

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/berliner-philharmonikers-digital/id554616591?mt=8

[Petrushka]

If that tablet happens to be an iPad, there's an app for that...



https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/berl...554616591?mt=8

The BPO DCH comes pre-loaded on Samsung and Sony smart TV's which is how I watch it. I needed a new TV anyway so took the plunge and got mine about a year ago.

[jayne lee wilson]

Actually, I was otherwise engaged on Friday evening so was quite unable to listen to the concert live. I parted with my precious virtual Euro tenner at 18.26 yesterday evening and at 08.05 this morning the video is still 'being edited' and therefore still not available for viewing.

You are right about the live concerts, Jayne ... and the BPDCH is almost as wondrous as the orchetra. It's just that I'm now beginning to seriously wonder whether I'll see my selected concert at all before the 48-hour period expires.

Ah well, I can always explore the rest of the archive facility, I suppose ... c'est la vie!

Yes - I've noticed it tends to take 3-4 days after the live concert for it to be available in the archive. I tend to focus on the live event so it doesn't bother me much... stunners in the archive include Alessandrini's Beethoven 2 and Emmanuelle Haim (Hair!) with Handel and Rameau, Rattle in Berio's Coro and the complete Pulcinella, Boulez with the complete Song of the Nightingale...

Next Friday looks amazing with 2 concerts, including Joachim's orchestration of Schubert's Grand Duo and Rattle's later G.F.Haas performance, a composer totally new to me...

[pastoralguy]

If that tablet happens to be an iPad, there's an app for that...



https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/berl...554616591?mt=8

Many thanks indeed!