So who will be the Berlin Phil.'s music director once Sir Simon leaves?

[gurnemanz]

Perhaps Barenboim could be on for a 3-4 year caretaker role.

And don't miss the chance to assess John Wilson on Monday evening.

That may appeal to Barenboim who will be 76 in 2018, but why would they need a "caretaker" with enough time to sort out a long term replacement?

[amateur51]

I confess to hoping that Jurowski might take over from Pappano at the ROH. But Jurowski's family reside in Berlin...

Families being what families are, that might boost the ROH's attraction?

[Mandryka]

I agree IGI but we have to remember that this is 2018 we're talking about, appointment to be announced perhaps in 2016? (a guess!) By then Barenboim would be 74, perfect but he may be happy to be the world's most sought after guest conductor. If it's (relative) youth they're after what about Tilson Thomas? The only addition I'd make to your list is Vladimir Jurowski.

Why am I not surprised to see you proselytising for Tilly Thomas?

They could appoint Thielmann - he is, after all, German and conservative (I've heard also with a large 'C') but he is preceded by a (whether deserved or not) reputation that might cause controversy. Not something the BPO has historically been keen on.

I'm not that au fait with the musico-political climate in Germany at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a groundswell of opinion that, after an Italian and an Englishman, the BPO needs an Austro-German hand on the tiller.

Personally, I think Bychkov would be an excellent choice: but I would suggest Andris Nelssons as a wildcard. He is clearly going places and he has youth on his side (though the fact that he's currently at the CBSO might cause a few people to roll their eyes).

[amateur51]

That may appeal to Barenboim who will be 76 in 2018, but why would they need a "caretaker" with enough time to sort out a long term replacement?

Good points gurnemanz

I'm surprised that no-one has yet advocated for the obvious choice who could doubtless find space in his schedule for yet another appointment, Valery Gergiev

[parkepr]

Where next for Sir Simon Rattle and who next for Berlin?

Anyone know of any vacancies due in 2018 on the world orchestra stage? Also is it a given that either Christian Thieleman or Daniel Barenboim will be off to the Berliner Philharmoniker?

[Alison]

That may appeal to Barenboim who will be 76 in 2018, but why would they need a "caretaker" with enough time to sort out a long term replacement?

I wasn't saying it was likely but not completely to be ruled out given Barenboim's status and his existing association with the orchestra. Odds of 10-1 about right I'd say.

[Nick Armstrong]

Anyone know of any vacancies due in 2018 on the world orchestra stage? Also is it a given that either Christian Thieleman or Daniel Barenboim will be off to the Berliner Philharmoniker?

A considerable number of ideas on these pre-existing recent threads....

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?7270-Rattle-To-Leave-BPO

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?7273-So-who-will-in-be-in-the-running-to-take-over-the-Berlin-Phil-once-Sir-Simon-leaves

We now appear to have four on this subject and I note kernelbogey has kindly volunteered to merge them...

[Alison]

Perhaps we should be pleased that many of the prime candidates are music directors on our own shores right now.

Let's vow to make the most of their time working here in what seems to be a particularly good season for British orchestras.

[Nick Armstrong]

This thread will be merged with the other - So who will in be in the running to take over the Berlin Phil - later today.

Yes! I spotted a request for unification last night and tentatively prodded one of my new 'host' buttons to essay a début 'merge' ... but couldn't work out what to do next so withdrew into the night as I didn't want to mess it all up especially as I see we now have 4 threads...

kernel, a mini PM tutorial on merger would be helpful. if you have a moment later!

[salymap]

Ah our new host has spotted it. There are no less that FOUR Rattle threads of various kinds.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Perhaps we should be pleased that many of the prime candidates are music directors on our own shores right now.

British orchestras have a post-war history of preparing conductors for the Berlin job; Karajan/Philharmonia, Abbado/LSO, Rattle/CBSO.

[parkepr]

Cheers Caliban.... interesting reading...

[LHC]

Perhaps we should be pleased that many of the prime candidates are music directors on our own shores right now.

Let's vow to make the most of their time working here in what seems to be a particularly good season for British orchestras.

Really? Outside the UK the only issue seems to be whether it will be Thielemann or Barenboim who succeeds Rattle. The only UK-based name I have seen mentioned with any seriousness is Andris Nelsons, who has already established a good relationship with the Berliners.

[gradus]

Semyon Bychkov seems a reasonable bet.

[Nick Armstrong]

Encouraged by others, I have deployed my new hostly toolbox to merge the 4 Rattle/BPO threads....

It seems to have worked

Do let me know if I've made a Horlicks of anything....