The changing face of Britain

[Simon]

It's quite trick, isn't it. Start a thread with the clear intent of stirring, then claim to be the victim when challenged. There is a word which is used to characterise such Internet activity.

I'm sorry, though not surprised, that you can't see the value of these discussions.

But in case you missed it, the link was to a BBC report. Perhaps if you wrote to them and asked them not to "stir", they would check with you in the future to see if any particular subject was OK to mention.

As to being "challenged" - nobody has come close to a challenge. There was nothing much to challenge, anyway.

What has happened, as so often, is that the usual few have decided to disrupt any thread that I'm involved with. It's that behaviour that exemplifies the word you were looking for...

[Bryn]

The link was indeed to a BBC item. The contentious use of the word "tragedy", aimed at stirring up a situation in which you could pose a a 'victim', was yours. You are just so transparent.

[scottycelt]

... Anyone with an ounce of commonsense ...

Careful ... remember where you are.

[Simon]

The link was indeed to a BBC item. The contentious use of the word "tragedy", aimed at stirring up a situation in which you could pose a a 'victim', was yours. You are just so transparent.

I fail to see how the use of the word "tragedy" can be contentious. You may think that the gun crime, the drugs, the slavery of other immigrants, the trafficking etc. - even things like the appalling abuse in Rochdale - are some sort of acceptable consequence of the ghettoisation and segregation of groups in society, but most rational people don't. Most people, like me, think it's a tragedy - and a preventable one
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Such things would have been far less prevalent had the unrestricted border policy that only now the lot that approved it is admitting was a complete disaster, had never occurred.

I know it irks you that those of us on the centre right who foresaw the problems have been proven correct, but get over it.

[Bryn]

QED

[Simon]

QED

Yes, thanks. I should indeed have added that at the end of my post.

Unless, of course, you have a logical rifutation of my points... oh look, there's a pig flying past the window...

[scottycelt]

On-topic, I see Miliband is now predictably heading for the political centre-ground in order to be in a reasonable position to win the next election ... surprise, surprise ... he is now vigorously espousing "one nation" 'n' all that ... some things never change! Well, he'd better put his actions where his mouth is by no longer referring to 'toffs'.

Every bit as silly and stupidly class-ridden as any references to 'plebs' as far as I'm concerned ... especially coming from a 'champagne socialist'.

[Bryn]

On-topic, I see Miliband is now predictably heading for the political centre-ground in order to be in a reasonable position to win the next election ... surprise, surprise ... he is now vigorously espousing "one nation" 'n' all that ... some things never change! Well, he'd better put his actions where his mouth is by no longer referring to 'toffs'.

Every bit as silly and stupidly class-ridden as any references to 'plebs' as far as I'm concerned ... especially coming from a 'champagne socialist'.

No argument from me re. that one.

[Bryn]

Yes, thanks. I should indeed have added that at the end of my post.

Unless, of course, you have a logical rifutation of my points... oh look, there's a pig flying past the window...

Make a logical point worth rifuting[sic] and I might oblige, but that's not your game.

[MrGongGong]

It is grossly offensive to equate crime with immigration
better to have our own criminals then prof ?
at least the Krays, Sutcliffe,Shipman and the chap who chopped off his dads head in Wirkswoth would understand English then ?

I find it puzzling that during the period of "the unrestricted border policy" that one of the things I was doing was running a project with a group of refugee musicians from a variety of countries (Kurdistan, Sudan, Congo, Iran etc etc ) and none of them seemed to find it easy to come to the UK , far from it AND some of them were also deported after failing their claims for assylum.

[rank_and_file]

This is the sort of thread which keeps me away from The Radio 3 Forum. As has been stated, a non-left wing opinion is aired, and the usual culprits pounce and regurgitate their often outmoded left wing credentials which we have heard over and over again.

By coincidence yesterday on Thursday 13th Lindsay Johns gave a talk concerning his work with certain black immigrants. I wonder whether the “usual suspects” agree with what he says?

This is the iPlayer link - 45 minutes if it works:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p3nx3

[Bryn]

This is the sort of thread which keeps me away from The Radio 3 Forum. As has been stated, a non-left wing opinion is aired, and the usual culprits pounce and regurgitate their often outmoded left wing credentials which we have heard over and over again.

By coincidence yesterday on Thursday 13th Lindsay Johns gave a talk concerning his work with certain black immigrants. I wonder whether the “usual suspects” agree with what he says?

This is the iPlayer link - 45 minutes if it works:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p3nx3

What Lindsay had to say all seem pretty much on the ball, but where do you get the stuff about "his work with certain black immigrants"? Perhaps you intended black British youth but it somehow came out as "certain black immigrants"? There again, perhaps I misunderstood who it was his volunteer work was with.

[amateur51]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20681551

I remember discussing this on the old boards years ago. 2005, maybe?

The warnings over the decades were never heeded. A tragedy indeed.

Interestingly the OP has not yet explained what he means by the tragedy apparently revealed by the latest census data, despite a request to do so..

[MrGongGong]

Interestingly the OP has not yet explained what he means by the tragedy apparently revealed by the latest census data, despite a request to do so..

No surprises there then

[amateur51]

What on earth made you think I was referring to you, MrGongGong, when I asked for no frivolous comments, one-liners and unhelpful attacks?

Surely you wouldn't do that, would you?

What a shame there is no little picture for "trap set and duly walked into".

This post seems to be the work of a troll