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  • Demetrius
    Full Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 276

    #91
    speaking of Fertility Rates, the UK one seems to hover at just below 2 children per woman these days, which is slightly beneath the necessary if you intend to sustain the level of current population (ignoring for that matter other kinds of population growth). If you lower that rate significantly, you might lower the population and make it theoretically easier to feed them, but you will soon end up in demographical problems - more old than young means an increased burden on the young to sustain the old - which in the natural order of things they ought to do. To solve this, Germany with its round about 2 decades of Fertility Rates of 1.4 had to a) significantly lower the living standards, b) solicit foreign quality workers to fill in the growing gap and c) lower the expected retirement money of the genration that is now in their 40s, 50s and 60s; that generation does not have the time to jump from the old retirement system - paying the old until they themselves are old enough to be payed for by the young(er) - to the new one of preparing for your old age yourself. They somehow are expected to pay for their parents generation, their children and themselves at the same time, which is slightly difficult to manage. If the German fertility rate jumped to something even remotely near the UK rate, I expect quite a lot of of social economists doing dances of extacy naked in the streets.

    as been pointed out before, the bulk of the population growth of the last decades wasn't because of Europeans turning out babies in unstopable volumes

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    • Simon

      #92
      It disrupts nothing. Not even by your fuzzy logic. It's merely evidence that some are waking up to reality. Good to see that O'Neill and Milliband now agree with me. Thanks for the quote.

      Maybe, one day, some on here will think back to how they howled down my comments in the past as "racist", and apologise. Maybe, one day, pigs will sprout wings...

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      • Resurrection Man

        #93
        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        Source? That well know representative of the rabid right, Brendan O’Neill, in today's the.week@spiked; not that I have much time for O'Neill and his cronies, but it does somewhat further disrupt the befuddled image Simon has of the 'left'.
        Don't understand why you have any issue with the quote you gave. It makes sense to me. Anyone with an ounce of commonsense would see it too. Unless their dogmatic stance prevented clarity of vision.

        One question....is the 'rabid right' mirrored by the 'loonie left' ?

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        • MrGongGong
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          #94
          Originally posted by Simon View Post
          Ed. Serious reasoning in paragraphs only please. If the usual one liners and unhelpful attacks didn't appear, that would be a big bonus for all of us.
          NO, I will write what I like , how I like
          you are NOT in charge
          get off your high horse

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            #95
            Originally posted by Resurrection Man View Post
            Don't understand why you have any issue with the quote you gave. It makes sense to me. Anyone with an ounce of commonsense would see it too. Unless their dogmatic stance prevented clarity of vision.

            One question....is the 'rabid right' mirrored by the 'loonie left' ?
            I suggest you consult an online search engine re. Mr. O'Neill. There again, Trotskyism has indeed often been characterised as "'Left' in form, 'right' in essence". Terms which might ease your search are "Revolutionary Communist Party", "Living Marxism" and "bankrupt".

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #96
              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              NO, I will write what I like , how I like
              you are NOT in charge
              get off your high horse
              No need. It threw him at the first fence.

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              • jean
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7100

                #97
                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                posh scouse , scally or the missing member of Half Man Half Biscuit ?

                Why did I read this before Mahler 5... trying to stop.. coffee time!
                A Wirralien, if you ask me...

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37637

                  #98
                  Originally posted by jean View Post
                  A Wirralien, if you ask me...
                  Wirral aliens in my book.

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                  • jean
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7100

                    #99
                    Elision, SA.

                    It's much easier to write poetry about them (should you wish to) if you elide them like that.

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                    • Simon

                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      NO, I will write what I like , how I like
                      What on earth made you think I was referring to you, MrGongGong, when I asked for no frivolous comments, one-liners and unhelpful attacks?

                      Surely you wouldn't do that, would you?

                      What a shame there is no little picture for "trap set and duly walked into".

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                      • MrGongGong
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 18357

                        And here's professor disfunctional spreading Christian cheer and goodwill to us all

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                        • anotherbob
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 1172

                          Originally posted by Simon View Post
                          What a shame there is no little picture for "trap set and duly walked into".
                          This puerile points-scoring is disappointing and does no credit to what is mainly an interesting and occasionally educative place to lurk. It isn't even quality "trolling".

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                          • Simon

                            Originally posted by anotherbob View Post
                            This puerile points-scoring is disappointing and does no credit to what is mainly an interesting and occasionally educative place to lurk. It isn't even quality "trolling".
                            It isn't, indeed.

                            It's just annoying that one can't start a thread and have a robust and intelligent discussion without the same two or three people popping up ands derailing it with insults and attacks.

                            The trap was simple enough, and maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it. But I get fed up and retaliate. Sorry.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              It's quite trick, isn't it. Start a thread with the clear intent of stirring, then claim to be the victim when challenged. There is a word which is used to characterise such Internet activity.

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                              • teamsaint
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 25202

                                Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View Post
                                Teamsaint - I couldn't read your documents on my computer. Is there any other way of providing them?

                                Pabmusic - A very interesting post. The economy of the Philippines is about the future. Ours is about the past. I don't know how much bigger the country is in land terms? What does it do about healthcare? Many don't seem to live to an age to need pensions!

                                Serial - Dreadful on housing. Frightening. There is that ex US banker from Croydon who is everywhere on TV currently because he is sleeping in a park here. I think he could have contacts as he has only been back in the country a few days. They don't take any notice of the thousands who have worked hard in this country and been made homeless. Where are the Government statements?

                                Eine - Really? I find that absolutely incredible and would be interested to see the context if you have it.

                                Sorry Lat , its just a regular spreadsheet, but I couldn't copy it in.
                                here is a key stat. I think the figures need multiplying by 1k.
                                2001
                                All families 13,271
                                One child 3,145
                                Two children 6,025
                                Three or more children 4,101

                                2011

                                13,153
                                3,506
                                5,933
                                3,714

                                Others may read it differently, but i am sure it does show the percentage of 3 chldren families of all types falling.
                                Last edited by teamsaint; 14-12-12, 21:03.
                                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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