Gender equality!

[Bryn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KKGl4nswDc

[Simon]

How is it possible to be a good driver who is not safe?

What measure of goodness is being applied?

I nearly went there, Jean - trust you to ask!

If the aim of driving is to get from A - B as smoothly, efficiently and quickly as possible without taking silly risks, then I think a man is best.

If the aim is to do the same journey without taking any risk at all, then I think a woman is best.

[Anna]

I nearly went there, Jean - trust you to ask!
If the aim of driving is to get from A - B as smoothly, efficiently and quickly as possible without taking silly risks, then I think a man is best.
If the aim is to do the same journey without taking any risk at all, then I think a woman is best.

If the aim of driving is to get from A -B without taking silly risks - obviously it's a man because he simply refuses to ask for directions, therefore takes silly risks but on arrival at destination says
'Well, the A390 was horrendous, then I turned off onto the B Road through Upper Madly, took a left at The Little Chef, found my way back onto the B8439, eventually on the spur road to the A3, and, here we are!! Only 2 hours late!'
A woman, if lost, would simply stop and ask for directions.

[Bryn]

... A woman, if lost, would simply stop and ask [a man] for directions.

I'll get me white van.

[Anna]

I'll get me white van.

Best do that Bryn, and I'll give you a kick up the exhaust!
I don't take much notice of Simon, to be honest, he seems so stereotyped, but it's fun to tease.
(Now and again, anymore just gets tedious)

[Simon]

I don't take much notice of Simon, to be honest, he seems so stereotyped, but it's fun to tease.

Now that's what I call a sensible attitude for a messageboard - and it mirrors exactly the way I've thought of you these past five years, Anna!

[Anna]

Now that's what I call a sensible attitude for a messageboard - and it mirrors exactly the way I've thought of you these past five years, Anna!

Oh Bless you Simon! Possibly ..... ? Now, hurry, The Archers is on!!

[mangerton]

I think any sort of stereotyping is dangerous, but men/women good/bad drivers is especially so. I have seen good and appalling driving from both sexes.

[amateur51]

I think any sort of stereotyping is dangerous, but men/women good/bad drivers is especially so. I have seen good and appalling driving from both sexes.

[Simon]

Now, hurry, The Archers is on!!

Now that IS pushing it. I don't believe that you listen to that!

[Bryn]

Is there an actuary in the house?

[Simon]

I think any sort of stereotyping is dangerous...

On the contrary, I see it as a useful shortcut in making quick assessments. Unfair on some at times, but largely the result of experience and observation.

[LeMartinPecheur]

Underlying what seems an eccentric view from mainland Europe is (I think) a different perception of society and the sharing of risks and costs. For example, I understand that some European countries have (had?) a completely different attitude to the cost of credit as against the risk of default. The individual's risk of default (from being on a low income, say) didn't directly affect the rate of interest on his loan because that was set commercially by an assessment of average default rates over all society - one rate for everyone. This would at least mean that the people who really do need credit for survival aren't priced out of the market, and arguably sidelined/ghettoised by 'respectable' society. Contrast our own current acceptance of absolutely mindblowing interest rates for 'payday' lending, logbook loans and other forms of lending that I hope none of my fellow boarders have had to enter (I should stress that I haven't either, but I see them through my work).

It is just possible that some at least of the insurance market's rating of male drivers' risks is also a matter for society at large. Men still I would think do more high-pressue driving in the course of their employment - delivery drivers for example. I would strongly expect that some employers in these tricky times expect, even order, their drivers to break speed limits to get more work into the day and keep their costs down. If so, ultimately it's not so unjust that the burden of insurance weightings gets shared across society. OK, the stereotype of 'rotten male driver' is the testosterone-fuelled road hog or the drunken boy racer but that's surely not the whole reason for more male accidents.

[MrGongGong]

On the contrary, I see it as a useful shortcut in making quick assessments. Unfair on some at times, but largely the result of experience and observation.

you don't say ......... i'd never have guessed , (he said rolling another spliff and turning over the LP of Xenakis evil noise whilst munching on a vegan pasty wrapped in a copy of last weeks Socialist Worker) ...........

[amateur51]

you don't say ......... i'd never have guessed , (he said rolling another spliff and turning over the LP of Xenakis evil noise whilst munching on a vegan pasty wrapped in a copy of last weeks Socialist Worker) ...........