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  • Pabmusic
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 5537

    Originally posted by MickyD View Post
    Not sure if we have had these before, but my current pet hates are the use of 'trial' and 'gift' as verbs.
    Apparently 'gift' (verb) has been here since the 17th century, according to the OED. It meant to give payment for a wife (a similar use in Dutch meant 'to poison'!). It was revived in the US in the 1920s.

    'Trial' as a verb dates from the 1980s, but as a noun is not all that old anyway 1550s).

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37591

      AdverTISEment - on today's lunchtime BBC TV news, courtesy one of their reporters.

      There is no further excuse for the Americanisation of our language: this is not the Marshall Aid era - the US cavalry is not coming to the rescue with loans or beneficial to us trading deals post-Brexit.

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      • LeMartinPecheur
        Full Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 4717

        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
        Apparently 'gift' (verb) has been here since the 17th century, according to the OED. It meant to give payment for a wife (a similar use in Dutch meant 'to poison'!).
        In modern German Gift means 'poison' despite its roots in geben, to give. Seems it's the standard thing they give, or gave, people!
        I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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        • oddoneout
          Full Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 9144

          Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
          In modern German Gift means 'poison' despite its roots in geben, to give. Seems it's the standard thing they give, or gave, people!
          GiftAid takes on a whole new meaning......

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          • gradus
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5603

            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
            GiftAid takes on a whole new meaning......
            Apparently Strauss means ostrich which I learnt on Only Connect this week. Just thought I'd mention it.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Originally posted by gradus View Post
              Apparently Strauss means ostrich which I learnt on Only Connect this week. Just thought I'd mention it.


              Strauss also means "bouquet", I believe - which could cause some confusion. "What can I bring you back from my business trip, darling?" "Oh just a small [strauss] will be fine"
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • gurnemanz
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7380

                Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                Not sure if we have had these before, but my current pet hates are the use of 'trial' and 'gift' as verbs.
                Turning nouns into verbs is just one of the ways in which languages develop. As I randomly look around me in my living room I see various nouns which are also verbs: table, chair, carpet, book, bottle, cup. picture, cushion. pen, paper, plant, pot, label, frame, clock, bin, floor, telephone ...

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                • MickyD
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 4747

                  Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                  Turning nouns into verbs is just one of the ways in which languages develop. As I randomly look around me in my living room I see various nouns which are also verbs: table, chair, carpet, book, bottle, cup. picture, cushion. pen, paper, plant, pot, label, frame, clock, bin, floor, telephone ...
                  I never thought about that! Maybe this grumpy old man should concentrate on other things!!

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                  • gurnemanz
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7380

                    Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                    I never thought about that! Maybe this grumpy old man should concentrate on other things!!
                    I do know what you mean. I often feel the same about the new ones that come along, which can seem irksome and unattractive. I think we generally tend to just get used to them eventually and not think about them any more. If they don't prove to be useful additions to the language, I suppose they will fall out of use - by a kind of linguistic natural selection.

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                    • kernelbogey
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5735

                      confirm

                      This is now being used as a synonym for something like 'state' or 'report'

                      I've just come off the phone to a county council department: the 'agent' asked me for my postcode, and my having given it said 'Can you confirm the first line of your address?' Now I think confirm means to me somethng like give evidence of what you've just said/done, such as producing a driving licence to confirm the age I just claimed.

                      Here the call centre script could say And what is the exactt address within that postcode? Or What is is your address?

                      But as stated above, this is how language changes, and the internet is part of that now.
                      Last edited by kernelbogey; 24-01-19, 10:59.

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                      • LeMartinPecheur
                        Full Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4717

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        This is now being used as a synonym for something like 'state' or 'report'

                        I've just come off the phone to a county council department: the 'agent' asked me for my postcode, and my having given it said 'Can you confirm the first line of your address?' Now I think confirm means to me somethng like give evidence of what you've just said/done, such as producing a driving licence to confirm the age I just claimed.

                        Here the call centre script could say And what is the exactt address within that postcode? Or What is is your address?

                        But as stated above, this is how language changes, and the internet is part of that now.
                        I think 'confirm' can mean that they have the info in front of them already on their computer, or think they have, and just want to check. Data protection principles are probably in play too.
                        I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37591

                          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                          This is now being used as a synonym for something like 'state' or 'report'

                          I've just come off the phone to a county council department: the 'agent' asked me for my postcode, and my having given it said 'Can you confirm the first line of your address?' Now I think confirm means to me somethng like give evidence of what you've just said/done, such as producing a driving licence to confirm the age I just claimed.

                          Here the call centre script could say And what is the exactt address within that postcode? Or What is is your address?

                          But as stated above, this is how language changes, and the internet is part of that now.
                          Confirming what they want to know about you would have avoided your having to tell them in the first place. .

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                          • kernelbogey
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5735

                            Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                            I think 'confirm' can mean that they have the info in front of them already on their computer, or think they have, and just want to check. Data protection principles are probably in play too.
                            Aah yes...

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                            • LMcD
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8406

                              The head honcho of M&S, responding to a campaign to stop the planned closure of our local M&S, says that it's the right decision, based on the company's determination to deliver 'a better located, more productive and sustainable store estate'.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30245

                                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                                I've just come off the phone to a county council department: the 'agent' asked me for my postcode, and my having given it said 'Can you confirm the first line of your address?' Now I think confirm means to me somethng like give evidence of what you've just said/done, such as producing a driving licence to confirm the age I just claimed.
                                Must remember next time I get a phone call from "BT", diving in and telling me that 'my internet connection has not been working to its full potential and …', I must remember to say, 'And can you confirm who it is you think you're speaking to?'
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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