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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26440

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    ... I haven't researched (resought?) this in detail - but I think that 'wreaked' is the normal past for 'wreak' [ = in the sense of : cause or effect (harm, damage, etc )]

    'Wrought' is of course the past for 'work' (wrought iron).

    My old OED for 'havoc' prefers 'make havoc' or 'play havoc', but 'work havoc' and 'wreak havoc' exist -

    The following provides some background, tho' I'm not sure all the readings are to be taken as totally reliable -

    https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...tanding/305623
    Thank you!

    I'm feeling less overwrought now.
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • Ferretfancy
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 3487

      One phrase that I seem to come across more frequently is "fall pregnant" Surely women become pregnant, or we are told that they are expecting a baby, but fall pregnant? This phrase suggests that an accident has occured.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 29882

        Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
        This phrase suggests that an accident has occured.
        Indeed, I think that's how I would understand it!
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • kernelbogey
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5645

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Indeed, I think that's how I would understand it!
          And I believe that to be the intended meaning.

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          • kernelbogey
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5645

            I overtook a water company vehicle on the motorway this week which displayed the following slogan:

            Cooking fat clogs your drains

            I puzzled over several interpretations for a minute or two. Oddly it was 'clogs' that first caught my attention, and I begain by thinking of footwear...!

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            • Stanfordian
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 9286

              Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
              One phrase that I seem to come across more frequently is "fall pregnant" Surely women become pregnant, or we are told that they are expecting a baby, but fall pregnant? This phrase suggests that an accident has occured.
              'Fall', that's what it was if pregnant out of wedlock, like a fall from grace, not too many decades ago! These days it doesn't seem to matter much at all.

              Goodness, I nearly used that now fashionable term "Back in the day" which I dislike!
              Last edited by Stanfordian; 12-10-17, 12:12.

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              • alycidon
                Full Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 459

                Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                One phrase that I seem to come across more frequently is "fall pregnant" Surely women become pregnant, or we are told that they are expecting a baby, but fall pregnant? This phrase suggests that an accident has occured.
                Yes. That is the meaning which I would ascribe to the phrase also.
                Money can't buy you happiness............but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery - Spike Milligan

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  I agree that "fall pregnant" seems newly popular, and it doesn't sound "right" to me - but "accidents" aren't implied/suggested (to me) any more than in "fall asleep". (Or have I been misusing that all my life, and it should only be used when one nods off when one shouldn't.)

                  "Fall in love"? Hmmm.
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • vinteuil
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12664

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                    ... or is there a quasi-medical connection - that childbearing is almost to be considered as a disease -

                    . he fell ill

                    . she fell pregnant




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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      I think Fell walking is a medical condition.
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • vinteuil
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12664

                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        I think Fell walking is a medical condition.
                        .. ho hoo ha.

                        But did you know that 'fell' is one of the few things that can be monged?

                        ... ironmonger, cheesemonger, fishmonger, costermonger, fellmonger.

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                        • kernelbogey
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5645

                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          I agree that "fall pregnant" seems newly popular, and it doesn't sound "right" to me - but "accidents" aren't implied/suggested (to me) any more than in "fall asleep"[...]
                          It's been familiar to me as a phrase for some years and I had assumed it to be local to Hampshire/S England (though the 'accidental' implication hadn't struck me until recently).

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12664

                            Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                            One phrase that I seem to come across more frequently is "fall pregnant" Surely women become pregnant, or we are told that they are expecting a baby, but fall pregnant? This phrase suggests that an accident has occured.
                            ... it seems to be increasing in frequency in British English - while still uncommon in American English

                            That's my question in the headline. It implies that it was an accident, and/or that the pregnancy, so therefore the unborn child, is a burden, like an illness. Seems offensive, yet I hear it all the


                            Of course French gels do on occasion have a tendency to tomber enceinte ...


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                            • Ferretfancy
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3487

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              .

                              ... or is there a quasi-medical connection - that childbearing is almost to be considered as a disease -

                              . he fell ill

                              . she fell pregnant




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                              Venteuil, that's better put than I could manage.

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                              • jean
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7100

                                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                                ... it seems to be increasing in frequency in British English - while still uncommon in American English

                                https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...-fell-pregnant
                                Yes - I liked the comment from the discussion you linked to:

                                'Definitely not considered impolite in British English and may even be a common euphemism so that us sexually-oppressed Brits don't have to consider the fact that one of our English Roses did anything as primitive as engage is messy sexual intercourse.'

                                You may be right about the medical connexion too, since medical intervention is often thought to be necessary.

                                Someone else in the discussion objects that if the pregnancy was desired, the wife did not fall pregnant, she just became/got pregnant. But I have never heard anyone use either became or got in that context.

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