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  • LeMartinPecheur
    Full Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 4717

    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
    1. The Clapham omnibus has many passengers. The most venerable is the reasonable man, who was born during the reign of Victoria but remains in vigorous health.
    Don't forget Fardell v Potts, in which the then Master of the Rolls held (Bungay LJ and Blow LJ concurring): "It has been urged for the appellant, and my own researches incline me to agree, that in all that mass of authorities which bears upon this branch of the law there is no single mention of a reasonable woman. [...] I find that at Common Law a reasonable woman does not exist."



    [A P Herbert Misleading Cases]
    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26440

      Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
      Don't forget Fardell v Potts, in which the then Master of the Rolls held (Bungay LJ and Blow LJ concurring): "It has been urged for the appellant, and my own researches incline me to agree, that in all that mass of authorities which bears upon this branch of the law there is no single mention of a reasonable woman. [...] I find that at Common Law a reasonable woman does not exist."



      [A P Herbert Misleading Cases]


      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Pabmusic
        Full Member
        • May 2011
        • 5537

        Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
        ...the then Master of the Rolls held (Bungay LJ and Blow LJ concurring): "It has been urged for the appellant, and my own researches incline me to agree, that in all that mass of authorities which bears upon this branch of the law there is no single mention of a reasonable woman. [...] I find that at Common Law a reasonable woman does not exist."...


        Roy Dotrice and Leonard Sachs have just popped into my head. Curious...

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        • P. G. Tipps
          Full Member
          • Jun 2014
          • 2978

          'Hear, Hear!' ... (Don't worry, I'm already greatly blessed with a particularly fine pair of ears, thank you ... )
          'Bravo!' ... (Oh dear, yet another worrying sign regarding the efficacy of the Government's tight immigration controls ...)

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          • Pabmusic
            Full Member
            • May 2011
            • 5537

            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
            ...'Bravo!' ... (Oh dear, yet another worrying sign regarding the efficacy of the Government's tight immigration controls ...)
            Encore!

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 29882

              Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
              'Bravo!' ...
              Brava! Bravi! (Brave! ?).
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Flosshilde
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7988

                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                "Strictly come dancing".

                Apart from any other considerations (of which there must be many), it's about as much of a sentence as "every little helps".
                But it's the title of a television programme, so suely doesn't have to be a sentence (is 'Our mutual friend' a sentence?). I think that it's derived from the title of an Australian film, 'Strictly ballroom', which was about a teenager whose parents were ballroom dancing teachers & judges in competitions. He wanted to dance but, being young and rebellious, didn't want to abide by the strict rules of competitive ballroom dancing (at the end of the film he won the day, the competition, the girl & everybody's hearts).

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                • ahinton
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 16122

                  Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                  But it's the title of a television programme, so suely doesn't have to be a sentence (is 'Our mutual friend' a sentence?). I think that it's derived from the title of an Australian film, 'Strictly ballroom', which was about a teenager whose parents were ballroom dancing teachers & judges in competitions. He wanted to dance but, being young and rebellious, didn't want to abide by the strict rules of competitive ballroom dancing (at the end of the film he won the day, the competition, the girl & everybody's hearts).
                  No, it doesn't have to be a sentence per se, but at least Our Mutual Friend is a meaningful clause whereas neither "every little helps" nor Strictly Come Dancing is. You are partially correct about its derivation, being a conflation of that movie title and the television series of many year ago Come Dancing; I think that it's this very conflation that gave rise to the shortcomings of SCD's title.

                  OK, I admit that I wouldn't subject myself to two consecutive seconds of the programme if you paid me (unless the sum offered was sufficiently large!), but my gripe here is specifically - or even "strictly", if you prefer - with the title itself and not with its everything-must-be-competitive-or-it's-no-good manifestation, or its assumption that people without previous dance experience can somehow elevate themselves, with help over a very short time, to some kind of professional standards and certainly not the wearisome headache-inducing mass hysteria that accompanies it (or rather that it accompanies) - and not even with certain of its competitors!
                  Last edited by ahinton; 02-11-15, 13:26.

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                  • Flosshilde
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7988

                    Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                    my gripe here is specifically ... with the title itself
                    And my point was that the titles of TV programmes, books, paintings, films, pieces of music, or anything else don't need to be grammatical or sentences or meaningful clauses. The only meaning they have is to give a flavour or hint or description of the work (& sometimes not even that).


                    wearisome headache-inducing

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12664

                      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                      at least Our Mutual Friend is a meaningful clause whereas neither "every little helps" nor Strictly Come Dancing is.
                      'Our Mutual Friend' is not a clause: it is a noun-phrase. And a jolly good novel.

                      'Every little helps' is a well-formed sentence, subject plus predicate. And a ghastly strap-line / jingle from some depressing advertisements.

                      I do not see your objection to the title 'Strictly Come Dancing' ; a sly nod to the film and the earlier telly series. There are objections one could have to the programme...

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37318

                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        And a ghastly strap-line / jingle from some depressing advertisements.
                        "Gala La La" from the TV ad for a lottery being arguably the most pukeworthy example thus far in my endurance.

                        While it has always been my view that these ads are there for capitalist ideology at its most barefaced to work its nefarious means of inducing states of passive moronic infantile receptivity in those intended to be persuaded by them, this one really leads me to wonder if these requirements were actually set down in the brief to the maker of the ad.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 29882

                          I have no feelings about 'Strictly Come Dancing' either as the title of a television programme or simply a programme I don't have to watch and am under no obligation to do so.

                          I do find the world's habit of referring to it as 'Strictly' (esp. at the BBC) just to show how familiar and approving they are of such a rattling (eh?) good BBC product which shows the licence fee is really worth the small cost …
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12664

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post

                            I do find the world's habit of referring to it as 'Strictly' (esp. at the BBC) just to show how familiar and approving they are of such a rattling (eh?) good BBC product which shows the licence fee is really worth the small cost …
                            ... I like your (intentional?) aposiopesis






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                            Last edited by vinteuil; 02-11-15, 16:15.

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16122

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              'Our Mutual Friend' is not a clause: it is a noun-phrase. And a jolly good novel.
                              Fair comment in that it's arguably the former and unquestionably the latter, but...

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              'Every little helps' is a well-formed sentence, subject plus predicate. And a ghastly strap-line / jingle from some depressing advertisements.
                              But "every little" what "helps "who or what with what and how and why?

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              I do not see your objection to the title 'Strictly Come Dancing' ; a sly nod to the film and the earlier telly series. There are objections one could have to the programme...
                              I just don't think tht it works and is accordingly an ostensibly clever idea that nevertheless trips itself up (which is not what people should do on such a programme). There are indeed objections that one could have to the programme - and I do have them!

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                              • ahinton
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16122

                                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                                ... I like your (intentional?) aposiopesis
                                I do, too - and I imagine that it was indeed intentional, just as I harbour a slight doubt that a certain "Proms presenter" is wholly familiar with the phenomenon...

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