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  • Pabmusic
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 5537

    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
    Does anyone read them in any other English?!
    Unoriginal English?

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    • JFLL
      Full Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 780

      One of these which grate on me is 'showcasing'. In those never-ending trails on Radio 3, they are forever going to 'showcase' a performer. It's also a particularly inapt figure of speech for a radio programme, in an aural rather than a visual medium.
      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
      ...but surely no more so than describing or referring to any other radio-only broadcast as a "show", which is nothing new?...
      I would say it is relatively new, when referring to a concert or recital, rather than, say, a visual performance such as ‘The Des O’Connor Show’, and is equally inapt. It's also an example of the assimilation of high culture to popular culture, in the quest for ‘accessibility’, no doubt.

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      • scottycelt

        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        Does anyone read them in any other English?!
        I very much doubt it, but ahinton has a good head's start over other forum members as his English is already extremely original ...

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        • ahinton
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 16122

          Originally posted by JFLL View Post
          I would say it is relatively new, when referring to a concert or recital, rather than, say, a visual performance such as ‘The Des O’Connor Show’, and is equally inapt. It's also an example of the assimilation of high culture to popular culture, in the quest for ‘accessibility’, no doubt.
          Whilst there's undoubtedly no shortage of that kind of thing about, I don't believe that the cap necessarily fits in this instance. I recall hearing an interview with Malcolm Sargent (who's been dead for 45 years) fairly late in his life when asked (as he must have been on several occasions, I imagine) about his "showmanship" and he deflected the question from himself by agreeing that, this week, he was "showing off" Shostakovich but next week he'd be "showing off" Sibelius; now I do not believe that anyone would have felt conscious of this "showing" even if in the audiences at the live events concerned, but there's no doubt that those listening to them on the radio (i.e. the majority of the audience) wouldn't have "seen" anything of it at all. So, if it's really as "inapt" as you believe it to be, it's been so for a very long time and is therefore not at all new.

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          • ahinton
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 16122

            Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
            I very much doubt it, but ahinton has a good head's start over other forum members as his English is already extremely original ...
            I think that this question has already been answered, scotty and, if you'd not noticed that fact, you've not been paying full attention! That said, I will endeavour to accept your remark as the compliment as which it must surely have been intended!

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            • scottycelt

              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
              I think that this question has already been answered, scotty and, if you'd not noticed that fact, you've not been paying full attention! That said, I will endeavour to accept your remark as the compliment as which it must surely have been intended!

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              • Richard Tarleton

                The Welsh health minister has just said on TV that her officials are reading the Francis report and that she will be talking to her chairs, which conjures up a lovely image.

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                • scottycelt

                  Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                  The Welsh health minister has just said on TV that her officials are reading the Francis report and that she will be talking to her chairs, which conjures up a lovely image.
                  You would think one chair would be enough, even for a Government minister ... ?

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                  • ahinton
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 16122

                    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                    The Welsh health minister has just said on TV that her officials are reading the Francis report and that she will be talking to her chairs, which conjures up a lovely image.
                    Why does this raise the thought of a mental hospital in my mind?

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16122

                      Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                      You would think one chair would be enough, even for a Government minister ... ?
                      That might depend upon the extent of that minister's clinical obesity, of which there's an awful lot about, as no doubt you know...

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                      • JFLL
                        Full Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 780

                        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                        Whilst there's undoubtedly no shortage of that kind of thing about, I don't believe that the cap necessarily fits in this instance. I recall hearing an interview with Malcolm Sargent (who's been dead for 45 years) fairly late in his life when asked (as he must have been on several occasions, I imagine) about his "showmanship" and he deflected the question from himself by agreeing that, this week, he was "showing off" Shostakovich but next week he'd be "showing off" Sibelius; now I do not believe that anyone would have felt conscious of this "showing" even if in the audiences at the live events concerned, but there's no doubt that those listening to them on the radio (i.e. the majority of the audience) wouldn't have "seen" anything of it at all. So, if it's really as "inapt" as you believe it to be, it's been so for a very long time and is therefore not at all new.
                        I can’t see that this example is relevant. Sargent, in saying he was ‘showing off’ Shostakovich, was evidently making a (to him) witty, punning and disarming allusion to the accusation of ‘showmanship’ and the implication that he liked ‘showing off’, that he was a ‘show-off’. But ‘showing off’ isn’t the same thing as ‘showing’. You can ‘show off’ on the radio or in any medium, visual or otherwise. Would Sargent have said, in another, more normal context, e.g. if asked what his plans were for a forthcoming series of radio concerts, that he would be ‘showing’ Shostakovich? I don’t think so, and it would sound odd and inapt even today.

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                        • handsomefortune

                          i love reading this thread, it seems so humane (viewed from the platform i'm showcasing from anyway)!

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                          • Globaltruth
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 4272

                            So, for me, it's starting sentences with "so".

                            This little word is best used as a conjunction - only a personal preference, I don't think there are any rules of grammar being broken by such usage.

                            So I'd better get over it.

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                            • Sir Velo
                              Full Member
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 3217

                              Originally posted by JFLL View Post
                              One of these which grate on me is 'showcasing'.
                              Use of this expression tells us all we need to know about the commodification of art in today's society. Artists no longer create works of art or perform; they "showcase their talent", as if they are permanently auditioning or trying to sell us something.

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12664

                                Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post

                                So I'd better get over it.
                                So wise!

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