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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
    Got it in one.
    Apprehended the essence in a singular expression, indeed.

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
      • 22115

      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
      Got it in one.
      Nothing wrong with ‘got’ but ‘gotten’ a wee bit American? Mind you it didn’t do Gene Pitney any harm!

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      • Pulcinella
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        • Feb 2014
        • 10887

        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
        Nothing wrong with ‘got’ but ‘gotten’ a wee bit American? Mind you it didn’t do Gene Pitney any harm!
        Yes, predominantly American, but only because they will have kept the form imported there from us, way back when.

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        • Bryn
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          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
          Yes, predominantly American, but only because they will have kept the form imported there from us, way back when.
          Indeed, perfectly good, if now largely abandoned, English.

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
            • 25193

            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
            Indeed, perfectly good, if now largely abandoned, English.
            Now back in common usage among young people .
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • french frank
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              • Feb 2007
              • 30243

              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
              Now back in common usage among young people .
              American cultural-linguistic imperialism?
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • cloughie
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                • Dec 2011
                • 22115

                Virtual.

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                • LezLee
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                  • Apr 2019
                  • 634

                  Literally.

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                  • Pabmusic
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                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    Yes, predominantly American, but only because they will have kept the form imported there from us, way back when.
                    Indeed. And we still use it in one sense. If you understand the difference between forgot and forgotten then you'd have no trouble using got and gotten.

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                    • Bryn
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                      • Mar 2007
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                      • kernelbogey
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5735

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        American cultural-linguistic imperialism?
                        Sixty-odd years ago, my brother asked his new American landlady, here in UK, where he should fill his kettle. Her reply completely mystified him: 'There's a faucet in the john'. I think most people would understand that now.

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                        • french frank
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                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30243

                          Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                          Indeed. And we still use it in one sense. If you understand the difference between forgot and forgotten then you'd have no trouble using got and gotten.
                          Except that isn't exactly how language develops, is it? To use 'gotten' because that was a much older verbal form isn't what people ordinarily do. Young people use 'gotten' because it's a 'new' form which their peers have picked up and started using, and which they've become used to hearing. We're in the early stages of this 'new' form 'gotten' where it still grates. But it is the dictatorship of American English!

                          Originally posted by LezLee View Post
                          Literally.
                          I like this quote from 1906, the Westminster Gazette: "Mr. Chamberlain literally bubbled over with gratitude."

                          We're in the linguistic transition period when the usage still grates with some, is regularly used by others, unaware of its earlier meaning. In 50 years time, the OED will give the earliest examples as 'Hist. Obsolete" and the later meaning as the current one.

                          The earliest meaning of literal, 1394 is simply:'Of or relating to a letter or letters.'

                          Add: 'There's a faucet in the john.' It's the difference between understanding and using. Neither term is current in British English although we need to understand 'faucet' to know what the President is wittering on about:

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                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • cloughie
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22115

                            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                            Sixty-odd years ago, my brother asked his new American landlady, here in UK, where he should fill his kettle. Her reply completely mystified him: 'There's a faucet in the john'. I think most people would understand that now.
                            Take care not to force it!

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              Take care not to force it!
                              What would one call a faucet in a water butt?

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                              • kernelbogey
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5735

                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                What would one call a faucet in a water butt?
                                Rather interestingly, from OED:
                                faucet n. 2.
                                a. A tap for drawing liquor from a barrel, etc. Now dialect and U.S.Formerly more fully spigot and faucet, denoting an old form of tap, still used in some parts of England, consisting of a straight wooden tube, one end of which is tapering to be driven into a hole in the barrel, while the other end is closed by a peg or screw. The peg or screw when loosened allows the liquor to flow out through a hole in the under side of the tube. Properly, the spigot seems to have been the tube, and the faucet the peg or screw (as still in the Sheffield dialect); but in some examples the senses are reversed, and each of the words has been used for the entire apparatus. In the U.S. faucet is now the ordinary word for a tap of any kind.

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