Phrases/words that set your teeth on edge.

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  • ahinton
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 16122

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    I think this is getting off-topic: please don't pursue the political aspects attaching to the Northern Ireland situation.
    Fair comment, although I'd hoped that it would be fairly obvious that I wasn't being all that serious, not least given that, after all, there isn't such a "northern Ireland situation" as Honoured Guest appears to imply...

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    • Padraig
      Full Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 4226

      Much appreciated Richard Tarleton and french frank.

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      • amateur51

        Originally posted by jean View Post
        It still is, if you want to lead the rest of the proletariat to adopt your pronunciation!
        Would that be a Standard Vanguardist then?



        I'll get me flat 'at

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          Thanks v much, jean. I'm tucking into the rest of that interview now.

          Edit: Those Tusa interviews are a fantastic resource, which due to pressures I missed in their time, so I'm most grateful, jean.
          I've just scanned the contents - it's such serious radio, and all the better for being so. He's talking to artists and sculptors and architects and poets :swoonemoticon:
          Last edited by Guest; 21-02-14, 12:00. Reason: trypo

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            "Warning, this video contains some graphic images."

            Wouldn't qualify as a video without graphic images, surely?

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            • MrGongGong
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              "Warning, this video contains some graphic images."

              Wouldn't qualify as a video without graphic images, surely?
              "Graphic Score"

              When folks in education use this phrase I usually reply with something like
              "you mean like Beethoven's Eroica?"

              Yes, I do know what they mean BUT it's usually shorthand for "something vague" when many so called "Graphic Scores" (Volumina for example) are really precise.

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              • Sir Velo
                Full Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 3225

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                "Warning, this video contains some graphic images."

                Wouldn't qualify as a video without graphic images, surely?
                Isn't the phrase "graphic images" somewhat tautological?

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37591

                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  many so called "Graphic Scores" (Volumina for example) are really precise.
                  What does it say? - I've never seen it - "Cover as much of all the manuals as possible with your physical dimensions"?

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                  • MrGongGong
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                    What does it say? - I've never seen it - "Cover as much of all the manuals as possible with your physical dimensions"?


                    not the best movie but ....

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                    • jean
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7100

                      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                      Isn't the phrase "graphic images" somewhat tautological?
                      Yes, but you can see how it arose, can't you?

                      People talk of particularly vivid verbal descriptions as graphic, meaning that they produce images in the mind. And gradually, because we've lost the sense of γράφειν meaning to draw, to produce images, we use it as if it just means vivid.

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                      • James Wonnacott
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 248

                        You're listening to <some programme) with me <some presenter>
                        Any of the following when spoken by Sean Rafferty: -Thank you very much indeed, Sublime, Extraordinary, My next guest this evening.
                        I have a medical condition- I am fool intolerant.

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                        • Honoured Guest

                          I've always understood "graphic" (as used here by Sir Velo and jean) to mean "clearly and plainly showing/depicting/describing/evoking unpleasant/distasteful/controversial details". So, the word has always had a precise meaning to me. Have I misunderstood its common usage?

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                          • Serial_Apologist
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37591

                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post


                            not the best movie but ....



                            Just as well I know a little German!

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                            • jean
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7100

                              Originally posted by Honoured Guest View Post
                              I've always understood "graphic" (as used here by Sir Velo and jean) to mean "clearly and plainly showing/depicting/describing/evoking unpleasant/distasteful/controversial details". So, the word has always had a precise meaning to me. Have I misunderstood its common usage?
                              Showing/depicting yes, but describing/evoking extends the meaning of graphic over a rather different semantic area than is covered by its original meaning - there'd be nothing tautological about evoking an image, which is exactly why people aren't aware of a tautology when they talk of a graphic image, setting other people's teeth on edge as they do so.

                              Unpleasant/distasteful/controversial aren't part of the core meaning of the word, though in practice they're often the type of image the writer/speaker wished to evoke.

                              .
                              Last edited by jean; 21-02-14, 15:32.

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                              • amateur51

                                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post


                                Just as well I know a little German!
                                Oh I know a little German too - what's yours called?


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