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  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
    • 30241

    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    I do not like the expression "passive aggressiveness", meaning keeping schtum rather than lashing out, verbally or otherwise. What is wrong with walking away to prevent worse? Is not space and time for cooling off preferable to escalation with no end in view? It is what wife-beaters were once advised to do in family counselling, but then "passive aggression" was made a label for cowardice. To me this amounts to emotional blackmail and even a come-on - I wear my passive-aggressive badge with pride.
    I don't like it because I keep having to look it up to check what it means. I suppose I don't really understand it and that makes it hard to remember.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • smittims
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      • Aug 2022
      • 4078

      I didn't think 'passive-aggressive ' meant that. I thought it meant hurting someone mentally or psychologically by appearing to be innocent while scheming behind their back. An example is Mia Farrow's character in Woody Allen's film 'Husbands and Wives'.

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      • gradus
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        • Nov 2010
        • 5603

        On Peston last night a conversation with someone in the Houses of Parliament was shown on screen as taking place at 'Westminister'.
        Often heard when I was growing up in London, I wondered if it is becoming common usage, a bit like 'haitch'.

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        • Sir Velo
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          • Oct 2012
          • 3225

          Originally posted by gradus View Post
          I wondered if it is becoming common usage, a bit like 'haitch'.
          And "train station"

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          • Roger Webb
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            • Feb 2024
            • 753

            Originally posted by gradus View Post
            .... I wondered if it is becoming common usage, a bit like 'haitch'.
            Haitch seems to be spreading like a sore, my personal bête noire is the increasingly common use of 'around' when the user means 'about'. 'around' and 'about' may have a common usage, ie. 'I wrapped my coat about/around my shoulders' or 'I'll meet you about/around 1 o'clock' but used in place of 'concerning the matter of' it can surely only be 'about it' But we increasingly hear 'The rules around Covid' or 'problems around immigration'. Try this one on people 'This book is around Charles Dickens', they'll look at you a bit strangely, but it's the same mistake as the previous two!

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            • Pulcinella
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              • Feb 2014
              • 10887

              Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post

              And "train station"
              I know we've had this before, but I don't see the problem.
              The type of station represents the mode of transport, surely, not what it travels on.

              Bus station, where buses go/stop.
              Train station, where trains go/stop.

              The railway (if that's what you'd prefer) goes through the station (or might terminate there).
              The train station is a station along the railway at which the trains stop/terminate.
              The bus station is a station (as part of the town or city's road network) where buses stop/terminate.
              We'd never call it a road/street station would we?​

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              • Sir Velo
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                • Oct 2012
                • 3225

                Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                Haitch seems to be spreading like a sore, .
                You have to ask whether English is still being taught at schools. I increasingly hear "everythink" and "anythink" ,as acceptable pronunciation even among professionals. We have a young placement student working with us who quite proudly boasted to me that he has yet to write an essay after 2 years at university!

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10887

                  Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post

                  You have to ask whether English is still being taught at schools. I increasingly hear "everythink" and "anythink" ,as acceptable pronunciation even among professionals. We have a young placement student working with us who quite proudly boasted to me that he has yet to write an essay after 2 years at university!
                  If he had written that it would probably be:

                  Boasting proudly, he told me that....

                  Fronted adverbials is what it's all about these days, innit?

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                  • Sir Velo
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                    • Oct 2012
                    • 3225

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                    I know we've had this before, but I don't see the problem.
                    The type of station represents the mode of transport, surely, not what it travels on.

                    Bus station, where buses go/stop.
                    Train station, where trains go/stop.

                    The railway (if that's what you'd prefer) goes through the station (or might terminate there).
                    The train station is a station along the railway at which the trains stop/terminate.
                    The bus station is a station (as part of the town or city's road network) where buses stop/terminate.
                    We'd never call it a road/street station would we?​


                    It goes back to the days when we travelled by rail. You purchase a railcard, not a train card.

                    Do we say "I'm going to the plane port to catch a flight" or the "boat port" to board a ship?

                    Sorry, Pulci, "train station" is an abomination!

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10887

                      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post



                      It goes back to the days when we travelled by rail. You purchase a railcard, not a train card.

                      Do we say "I'm going to the plane port to catch a flight" or the "boat port" to board a ship?

                      Sorry, Pulci, "train station" is an abomination!
                      I'll agree that most of them are!

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                      • Roger Webb
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                        • Feb 2024
                        • 753

                        Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post

                        You have to ask whether English is still being taught at schools.
                        Do you have to ask?....if it is, it's a completely different species from that taught to us!

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                        • Pulcinella
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                          • Feb 2014
                          • 10887

                          Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                          Do you have to ask?....if it is, it's a completely different species from that taught to us!
                          Well, yesterday's lesson at primary school (Year 5) was FANBOYS:

                          The seven most common coordinating conjunctions are for, and, nor, but, or, yet, and so—the first letters of which spell out the memorable acronym FANBOYS.

                          For
                          And
                          Nor
                          But
                          Or
                          Yet
                          So

                          And todays's was I SAW A WASBUB, for subordinating conjunctions:

                          If
                          Since
                          As
                          When
                          Although
                          While
                          After
                          Before
                          Until
                          Because

                          I'm not sure that that's the way I got to know them.

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                          • LMcD
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                            • Sep 2017
                            • 8405

                            Originally posted by gradus View Post
                            On Peston last night a conversation with someone in the Houses of Parliament was shown on screen as taking place at 'Westminister'.
                            Often heard when I was growing up in London, I wondered if it is becoming common usage, a bit like 'haitch'.
                            Probably getting it muddled up with the excellent TV series starring Paul Eddington, Nigel Hawthorne and Derek Fowlds, all of whom have sadly passed on.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30241

                              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                              Bus station, where buses go/stop.
                              Train station, where trains go/stop.
                              I don't remember that there was such a thing as a 'bus station' in the sense it has now: somewhere where passengers go to start their journey. The depot was where the buses were parked overnight. Bristol's 'bus station' in the sense of the general terminus for buses, with waiting room, cafés, information, ticket office, opened in 2006. Before that "the station" meant the railway station.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Roger Webb
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                                • Feb 2024
                                • 753

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post

                                I don't remember that there was such a thing as a 'bus station' in the sense it has now: somewhere where passengers go to start their journey. The depot was where the buses were parked overnight. Bristol's 'bus station' in the sense of the general terminus for buses, with waiting room, cafés, information, ticket office, opened in 2006. Before that "the station" meant the railway station.
                                Where is this bus station that opened in 2006? Surely the bus station was on the bit of the extension of Lower Park Row that curved to the right after passing the hospital and just before the Stokes Croft roundabout - or is it now a Wetherspoons?!

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