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  • kernelbogey
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5735

    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    MANSPLAININGIt was explained next day as describing the way some men try to dominate women in arguments by interrupting and talking over them...
    My understanding is that it is more commonly used to describe patronisingly male explanations to women, as though the topic is beyond their understanding. (I recently experienced this in reverse when a female colleague was explaining to me her technique for propping open a sagging sash window as though I had never previously come across a sash window. It was an instructive experience!)

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    • oddoneout
      Full Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 9144

      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
      My understanding is that it is more commonly used to describe patronisingly male explanations to women, as though the topic is beyond their understanding. (I recently experienced this in reverse when a female colleague was explaining to me her technique for propping open a sagging sash window as though I had never previously come across a sash window. It was an instructive experience!)
      That is the usual understanding of the term, and is the definition appearing in online dictionaries. It's a rather ungainly term but does have its uses. The diagram on here clarifies https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...d-in-one-chart
      The habit of talking over and interrupting others that happens with both sexes that SA notes is not the same thing - it's all too often plain bad manners and inability to discuss in a civilised fashion, not helped by poor management of debate.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        MANSPLAINING

        A term I only came across recently in connection with Tess and Rishi's first televised discussion for the Tory leadership. It was explained next day as describing the way some men try to dominate women in arguments by interrupting and talking over them, and as thus is a term I find sexist given that women are equally prone to this selfsame strategy for dealing with disagreement, as was clearly evidenced on this morning's Jeremy Vine on CH5, in which all participants - the presenter and three panellists - were women.
        I don't know whether there's a special word for it, but whether men interrupt women more than women interrupt men has been frequently researched. The conclusion is that men interrupt women far more than vice versa:

        Women are frequently interrupted by men, according to research that has looked at business settings and even the Supreme Court—but there are strategies that men and women alike can use to address the issue.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Lento
          Full Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 646

          Maybe "girlsplaining" would be the opposite.

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by Lento View Post
            Maybe "girlsplaining" would be the opposite.
            That might be taken as matronising.

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16122

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              That might be taken as matronising.
              !!!

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30241

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                That might be taken as matronising.
                Sound point. I wonder why there is no female equivalent
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • ardcarp
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11102

                  I had to chuckle when on a news programme this morning someone mentioned that in the Commonwealth Games, there would be more medals for women than for men. They (neutral pronoun) went on to say it was a recognition of equality. Er......

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37591

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    Sound point. I wonder why there is no female equivalent
                    Speaking of manspreading - the selfish and unsightly habit of men splaying their legs on bus and train seats which I initially took mansplaining to be derived - my memories slid back to the 1960s when for a short time I was managing a Wimpy bar in the West End. Some young miniskirted women sitting on one of the banquettes were approached by my successor for the evening shift, a Miss Lanham, and told in no uncertain terms to "Come on now, girls, put your legs together: we don't want the boys taking a peek now, do we?!"

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                    • kernelbogey
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5735

                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      ...told in no uncertain terms to "Come on now, girls, put your legs together: we don't want the boys taking a peek now, do we?!"
                      A good example of 'matronising'?

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37591

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        A good example of 'matronising'?
                        The term would have perfectly fitted Miss Lanham. She would stride in on shift, hair centrally parted and tied in a tight bun, brow permanently furrowed, start by taking a look at the figures and say, "Is that all your takings, Mr ******? Not good enough!!"

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26523

                          People who’ve received an award or suchlike saying they are “humbled” when of course they mean (and can quite legitimately say) that they are very proud to receive it.
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30241

                            Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                            People who’ve received an award or suchlike saying they are “humbled” when of course they mean (and can quite legitimately say) that they are very proud to receive it.
                            Yes, that's curious, isn't it? One generally feels humbled in the face of someone else who has done something wonderful e.g. Belmonte, when Pasha Selim allows him to go free instead of taking revenge for what his father had done.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9144

                              Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post
                              People who’ve received an award or suchlike saying they are “humbled” when of course they mean (and can quite legitimately say) that they are very proud to receive it.
                              It makes me smile because it conjures up the Victorian notion of "knowing your place" - eyes cast meekly down, cap in hand...

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                              • Serial_Apologist
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37591

                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                It makes me smile because it conjures up the Victorian notion of "knowing your place" - eyes cast meekly down, cap in hand...
                                You could still be humbled if you were not expecting an award, provided that was not false modesty!

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