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  • french frank
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    • Feb 2007
    • 30241

    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
    Why is the word 'egregious' so over-used these days?

    I can't remember it being in use until recently, then all of a sudden it's everywhere. Not a word I've found of much use, preferring 'bad', shocking'. awful' or similar more effective synonyms to convey my meaning.
    I think it's quite recently that it seems to have been used in an exclusively negative way. It originally just meant 'outstandingly' (standing out from the flock), and more often in a positive way. I don't think it's used at all like that now, probably reflecting the frequency with which it's been taken up in the negative sense.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Bryn
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      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      I think it's quite recently that it seems to have been used in an exclusively negative way. It originally just meant 'outstandingly' (standing out from the flock), and more often in a positive way. I don't think it's used at all like that now, probably reflecting the frequency with which it's been taken up in the negative sense.
      A bit like a reciprocal of the journey of "fulsome" then.

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      • kernelbogey
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        • Nov 2010
        • 5735

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Ah, I see that. But what is the use of the word 'alleged' supposed to convey in such a context?
        I simply chose it as an example: though it's the sort of word that gets these ironic quote designators.

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        • oddoneout
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          • Nov 2015
          • 9144

          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          A bit like a reciprocal of the journey of "fulsome" then.
          "Sophisticated" has done an about turn, from adulterated or falsified to refined and subtle, something about which my father often muttered - more for effect than any strong feeling I suspect.

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          • Serial_Apologist
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            • Dec 2010
            • 37591

            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
            "Sophisticated" has done an about turn, from adulterated or falsified to refined and subtle, something about which my father often muttered - more for effect than any strong feeling I suspect.
            My mum got stuck somewhere around Brahms - never made it as far as Modern, let alone Postmodern!

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            • Pulcinella
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              • Feb 2014
              • 10887

              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
              Why is the word 'egregious' so over-used these days?

              I can't remember it being in use until recently, then all of a sudden it's everywhere. Not a word I've found of much use, preferring 'bad', shocking'. awful' or similar more effective synonyms to convey my meaning.
              Hotels in Italy refer to their guests as 'Egregious Clients' (or at least have done in emails I've had from them).
              It's effectively their equivalent of Dear Sir.

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              • Bryn
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                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                "Sophisticated" has done an about turn, from adulterated or falsified to refined and subtle, something about which my father often muttered - more for effect than any strong feeling I suspect.
                Yes, I recall an edition of The Archers, some decades ago, which made that very point.

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                • french frank
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                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30241

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  Hotels in Italy refer to their guests as 'Egregious Clients' (or at least have done in emails I've had from them).
                  It's effectively their equivalent of Dear Sir.
                  OED notes on the etymology: "The negative use in sense 2 has no parallel in Latin or in the Romance languages; it appears to have arisen as an ironic use of sense 1" [the positive use, found in other languages].
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • johncorrigan
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 10347

                    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                    Why is the word 'egregious' so over-used these days?

                    I can't remember it being in use until recently, then all of a sudden it's everywhere. Not a word I've found of much use, preferring 'bad', shocking'. awful' or similar more effective synonyms to convey my meaning.
                    I'd be interested to see if it is traced back to the 'Bill and Ted' movies of the early nineties, Petrushka. That was the first time I was aware of egregious, and I have heard it a lot since then, so perhaps a generational thing.

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                    • Keraulophone
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1945

                      The Today Programme (R4) played the end of The Firebird to conclude this morning’s edition…

                      “…played by the Royal Concert Orchestra conducted by Mariss Johnson.”

                      Any relation to the PM?

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                      • french frank
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                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30241

                        Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
                        The Today Programme (R4) played the end of The Firebird to conclude this morning’s edition…

                        “…played by the Royal Concert Orchestra conducted by Mariss Johnson.”

                        Any relation to the PM?
                        His sister, I think.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Serial_Apologist
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37591

                          Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
                          The Today Programme (R4) played the end of The Firebird to conclude this morning’s edition…

                          “…played by the Royal Concert Orchestra conducted by Mariss Johnson.”

                          Any relation to the PM?
                          Until ff volunteered the suggestion about it being his sister, I was going to say a well-known brand of potato which plays pipes!

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                          • cloughie
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22115

                            Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
                            The Today Programme (R4) played the end of The Firebird to conclude this morning’s edition…

                            “…played by the Royal Concert Orchestra conducted by Mariss Johnson.”

                            Any relation to the PM?
                            What happened to the gebouw?

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30241

                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              Until ff volunteered the suggestion about it being his sister, I was going to say a well-known brand of potato which plays pipes!
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Maclintick
                                Full Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 1065

                                Forgive me if this annoying phrase has been commented on before, but it seems quite prevalent, and almost exclusively an affliction of young males in the retail/delivery sector -- "No worries", usually uttered several times in the course of the most mundane transaction, for no discernible reason. I suppose it's just a harmless pleasantry, but after several irksome repetitions I've been tempted to interject "Should I be worried ?". I keep my trap shut, however, and maintain a rictus of transparently fake bonhomie. "No worries, mate".

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