Phrases/words that set your teeth on edge.

[Serial_Apologist]

'Tirelessly' - as in 'Government departments are working tirelessly to find new ways of stopping people meeting each other' &c &c. It might accurately describe their labours but it has become tedious. It seems to be mainly 'No 10 speak', as not only the PM but his press spokespersons use it.

Would "untiringly" be all right then?

[kernelbogey]

Mac 'n' cheese
This name, which has invaded British pub menus, and which apparently simply means what we have always called Macaroni Cheese irritates me because (a) it first makes me think of it as a MacDonald's product and/or involving a meat patty; (b) we had a perfectly good name for it already; (c) galloping americanisms. (Apparently the derivation is from a US branded ready meal version of the dish.)

[Bryn]

Mac 'n' cheese
This name, which has invaded British pub menus, and which apparently simply means what we have always called Macaroni Cheese irritates me because (a) it first makes me think of it as a MacDonald's product and/or involving a meat patty; (b) we had a perfectly good name for it already; (c) galloping americanisms. (Apparently the derivation is from a US branded ready meal version of the dish.)

So that's what "Mac 'n' cheese" is. I have often wondered but never bothered to investigate.

[gurnemanz]

Mac 'n' cheese
This name, which has invaded British pub menus, and which apparently simply means what we have always called Macaroni Cheese irritates me because (a) it first makes me think of it as a MacDonald's product and/or involving a meat patty; (b) we had a perfectly good name for it already; (c) galloping americanisms. (Apparently the derivation is from a US branded ready meal version of the dish.)

Agree. Raincoat with cheese also makes little sense.

[LeMartinPecheur]

Agree. Raincoat with cheese also makes little sense.

And the vegan version, mac without cheese, is even more disgusting

[french frank]

And the vegan version, mac without cheese, is even more disgusting

I've been given a jar of chorizo jam for Christmas two years running, but this year from another source I was given plum cheese. It makes me feel there's something I've been missing about my native language. Or perhaps just about gastronomy.

[cloughie]

Mac 'n' cheese
This name, which has invaded British pub menus, and which apparently simply means what we have always called Macaroni Cheese irritates me because (a) it first makes me think of it as a MacDonald's product and/or involving a meat patty; (b) we had a perfectly good name for it already; (c) galloping americanisms. (Apparently the derivation is from a US branded ready meal version of the dish.)

Thoroughly agree, Mrs C and I have hated this name ever since it first crept in.

[vinteuil]

I've been given a jar of chorizo jam for Christmas two years running, but this year from another source I was given plum cheese. It makes me feel there's something I've been missing about my native language. Or perhaps just about gastronomy.

... the OED gives examples of 'cheese' as a 'conserve of fruit' from as early as 1530. Get with the xvj th century, ff!


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[french frank]

... the OED gives examples of 'cheese' as a 'conserve of fruit' from as early as 1530. Get with the xvj th century, ff!


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That's English for you, v. I was familiar with 'fromage de tête' not being a dairy product. I can understand anything being shaped in a mould and given a 'forma' being fromage or formaggio. But cheese, Käse, queso etc comes from the casein root which is dairy produce. However, cheese seems to refer to the texture, fromage to the shape. Allegedly. But chorizo jam seems to group itself lingustically with red onion marmalade.

Much to think upon

[Pulcinella]

That's English for you, v. I was familiar with 'fromage de tête' not being a dairy product. I can understand anything being shaped in a mould and given a 'forma' being fromage or formaggio. But cheese, Käse, queso etc comes from the casein root which is dairy produce. However, cheese seems to refer to the texture, fromage to the shape. Allegedly. But chorizo jam seems to group itself lingustically with red onion marmalade.

Much to think upon

If there's chorizo in it, you might be able to chew it over, too.

[gurnemanz]

That's English for you, v. I was familiar with 'fromage de tête' not being a dairy product. I can understand anything being shaped in a mould and given a 'forma' being fromage or formaggio. But cheese, Käse, queso etc comes from the casein root which is dairy produce. However, cheese seems to refer to the texture, fromage to the shape. Allegedly. But chorizo jam seems to group itself lingustically with red onion marmalade.

Much to think upon

New insights here on a daily basis. I hadn't realised "fromage" was cognate with "forma" - nice bit of metathesis.

Re Käse: in German "Red keinen Käse!" (also works with "Quark") means "Don't talk rubbish" (or indeed baloney ... but not chorizo).

[oddoneout]

... the OED gives examples of 'cheese' as a 'conserve of fruit' from as early as 1530. Get with the xvj th century, ff!


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There's also fruit butter and leather - all part of the wonderful world of preserving, and getting the most out of produce. As this mentions it is possible to get two out of one, jelly and then cheese https://www.allotment-garden.org/rec...tters-cheeses/ which I used to do when I only had or wanted small quantities, such as the medlars from work.

[oddoneout]

That's English for you, v. I was familiar with 'fromage de tête' not being a dairy product. I can understand anything being shaped in a mould and given a 'forma' being fromage or formaggio. But cheese, Käse, queso etc comes from the casein root which is dairy produce. However, cheese seems to refer to the texture, fromage to the shape. Allegedly. But chorizo jam seems to group itself lingustically with red onion marmalade.

Much to think upon

Many years ago a local butcher used to make and sell 'head cheese' which as I'd long liked brawn I looked forward to getting. BSE knocked it on the head so to speak as it used proscribed body parts.
I also thought of onion jam in relation to the chorizo jam. There's also bacon jam.
The term Mac'n' Cheese always reminds me of the rubbery(and tasteless) nature of popular American cheeses.

[cloughie]

Many years ago a local butcher used to make and sell 'head cheese' which as I'd long liked brawn I looked forward to getting. BSE knocked it on the head so to speak as it used proscribed body parts.
I also thought of onion jam in relation to the chorizo jam. There's also bacon jam.
The term Mac'n' Cheese always reminds me of the rubbery(and tasteless) nature of popular American cheeses.

Then of course Lemon Cheese has been around for a long time.

https://www.the-mercers.com/blog/lemon-cheese-v-lemon-curd-debate

[greenilex]

Funnily enough, when something is described as cheesey I usually like it...