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  • LeMartinPecheur
    Full Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 4717

    Originally posted by Maclintick View Post
    ...She-Who-Will-Be-Excoriated-&-Damned-In-Retrospect-For-The-Whole-Debacle...
    A very sexist remark if I may say so! Shouldn't the greater 'credit' remain with estimable Mr Cameron??
    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30243

      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
      ... "least worst" seems to be growing in popularity :.
      Among the biggest ones there is probably one that is the smallest, and is therefore the smallest biggest. And so on.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • gurnemanz
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7380

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Among the biggest ones there is probably one that is the smallest, and is therefore the smallest biggest. And so on.
        "Least" is being used as an adverb qualifying "worst", which logically it can't. It might jar as usage for purists but does make sense. The explanation of the above example is OK by me , but here both "smallest" and "biggest" are adjectives qualifying whatever the noun is. So not a parallel case.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30243

          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
          but here both "smallest" and "biggest" are adjectives qualifying whatever the noun is. So not a parallel case.
          Once more, true
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30243

            I don't know, though. Is it being used as an adverb? 'Least' can also be an adjective, saith the OED, as 'Less than any other in size, extent, or degree; smallest; slightest. Now chiefly with abstract nouns'.

            And 'worst' as a noun is defined as ' That which is most unpleasant, grievous, unfortunate, painful, or hard to bear; a state of things that is most undesirable or most to be dreaded'.

            So 'least worst' is adj + noun.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • vinteuil
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 12788

              .

              "No worst, there is none... "

              ... as the man said.


              "No worst, there is none. Pitched past pitch of grief,
              More pangs will, schooled at forepangs, wilder wring.
              Comforter, where, where is your comforting?
              Mary, mother of us, where is your relief?
              My cries heave, herds-long; huddle in a main, a chief
              Woe, wórld-sorrow; on an áge-old anvil wince and sing —
              Then lull, then leave off. Fury had shrieked 'No ling-
              ering! Let me be fell: force I must be brief."'

              O the mind, mind has mountains; cliffs of fall
              Frightful, sheer, no-man-fathomed. Hold them cheap
              May who ne'er hung there. Nor does long our small
              Durance deal with that steep or deep. Here! creep,
              Wretch, under a comfort serves in a whirlwind: all
              Life death does end and each day dies with sleep. "

              .
              Last edited by vinteuil; 31-03-19, 19:35.

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              • Wychwood
                Full Member
                • Aug 2017
                • 247

                Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                "Least" is being used as an adverb qualifying "worst", which logically it can't. It might jar as usage for purists but does make sense.
                Yes, it makes sense in that the intended meaning is conveyed. But it's a careless use of our language, and I don't mind being branded a "purist" in resisting that.

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                • Joseph K
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 7765

                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  .

                  "No worst, there is none... "

                  ... as the man said.


                  "No worst, there is none. Pitched past pitch of grief,
                  More pangs will, schooled at forepangs, wilder wring.
                  Comforter, where, where is your comforting?
                  Mary, mother of us, where is your relief?
                  My cries heave, herds-long; huddle in a main, a chief
                  Woe, wórld-sorrow; on an áge-old anvil wince and sing —
                  Then lull, then leave off. Fury had shrieked 'No ling-
                  ering! Let me be fell: force I must be brief."'

                  O the mind, mind has mountains; cliffs of fall
                  Frightful, sheer, no-man-fathomed. Hold them cheap
                  May who ne'er hung there. Nor does long our small
                  Durance deal with that steep or deep. Here! creep,
                  Wretch, under a comfort serves in a whirlwind: all
                  Life death does end and each day dies with sleep. "

                  .
                  I love that set of sonnets.

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                  • LMcD
                    Full Member
                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8406

                    To his credit, John Major said 'least bad' yesterday when talking to Andrew Marr. (Mind you, most of what he said made more sense than the most of the rubbish emerging from current politicians' mouths at present).

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22115

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      To his credit, John Major said 'least bad' yesterday when talking to Andrew Marr. (Mind you, most of what he said made more sense than the most of the rubbish emerging from current politicians' mouths at present).
                      Which is probably better than half good!

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                      • LMcD
                        Full Member
                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8406

                        Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                        A very sexist remark if I may say so! Shouldn't the greater 'credit' remain with estimable Mr Cameron??
                        You're referring, I take it, to Mark James Walter Cameron?

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                        • gurnemanz
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7380

                          I am a fully paid-up pedant but wouldn't swear that the words "least worst" have never slipped out of my mouth. If such things get into common parlance they can be very infectious. You can see why double superlatives catch on. People might say things like "most tastiest" as a knowingly jokey, maybe deliberately ungrammatical, piece of usage because the doubleness emphasises their point more strongly ("most strongest"). I don't know if Shakespeare used a double superlative but he was certainly not averse to a double negative.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30243

                            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                            I am a fully paid-up pedant but wouldn't swear that the words "least worst" have never slipped out of my mouth.
                            'The best of x unsatisfactory scenarii' probably wouldn't slip out quite as easily (n.b. 'the better', if only two such scenarii).
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • LezLee
                              Full Member
                              • Apr 2019
                              • 634

                              The ‘most amount of money’ is frequently heard on quiz shows and from Lord Sugar on ‘The Apprentice’.

                              (Yes, I do watch some rubbish. I am not ashamed)

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                              • Pabmusic
                                Full Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 5537

                                Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                                ... I don't know if Shakespeare used a double superlative but he was certainly not averse to a double negative.
                                This was the most unkindest cut of all. [Julius Caesar, Act 3, sc. II]

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