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  • jean
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7100

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    And never forget that in English, 'liberal' means (more or less) left-leaning and well-intentioned - whereas in French 'liberal' means right-wing, neo-con, fascist...
    And then there's neoliberal, which means pretty well the opposite of what liberal means in English, and a lot more like what it means in French.

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    • MrGongGong
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 18357

      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
      Well, I have nothing to do with the far right, hardly anything to do with Protestantism, having outgrown it at an early age, and very little to do with Northern Ireland, having only been there once. .
      No need to be SARC-eey

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      • Richard Barrett
        Guest
        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
        No need to be SARC-eey
        Yessss... I was going to say no prizes for guessing where exactly I was on that one visit.

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        • MrGongGong
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
          Yessss... I was going to say no prizes for guessing where exactly I was on that one visit.
          BINGO

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          • P. G. Tipps
            Full Member
            • Jun 2014
            • 2978

            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            I just liked the sound of "the church of Rome"
            Ah-hah ... precisely the problem, Mr Barrett!

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            • P. G. Tipps
              Full Member
              • Jun 2014
              • 2978

              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
              Yessss... I was going to say no prizes for guessing where exactly I was on that one visit.
              South Antrim Royal Constabulary ... ?

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37602

                Originally posted by jean View Post
                And then there's neoliberal, which means pretty well the opposite of what liberal means in English, and a lot more like what it means in French.
                Neoliberalism, so-called, might arguably be closer to classical economic liberalism, as Wiki-defined:



                I feel a potentially stimulating discussion on conservative liberalism - acceptance of liberal (as in another definition of laisser-faire) values on eg employment and minority rights, on the grounds that groups once upon a time marginalised as scapegoats useful for purposes of legitimising the status quo and having a pool of unemployed to encourage wage restraint have been superseded by virtue of said groups having become part of the consumer demographic, whenever it suits the capitalist class, of course. But something tells me such a discussion would not be allowed to last long, on this forum.

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                • ahinton
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 16122

                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  Neoliberalism, so-called, might arguably be closer to classical economic liberalism, as Wiki-defined:



                  I feel a potentially stimulating discussion on conservative liberalism - acceptance of liberal (as in another definition of laisser-faire) values on eg employment and minority rights, on the grounds that groups once upon a time marginalised as scapegoats useful for purposes of legitimising the status quo and having a pool of unemployed to encourage wage restraint have been superseded by virtue of said groups having become part of the consumer demographic, whenever it suits the capitalist class, of course. But something tells me such a discussion would not be allowed to last long, on this forum.
                  Indeed - but then "neo(-)liberalism"'s not perhaps so different from all those other "neo"s or "new"s (such as "new complexity", "neo-Nazi", "new musicology" et al) in that, by definition, it's set up to become old hat given enough time (although perhaps the Oxford English Tippsionary might disagree)...

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                  • greenilex
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1626

                    I too like the sound of the Church of Rome.

                    But I wouldn't waste an epistle on them.

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20570

                      EVERYONE wants to do . . .

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                      • P. G. Tipps
                        Full Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 2978

                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        EVERYONE wants to do . . .
                        Are you blessed with a teenage daughter by any chance, EA ... ?

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20570

                          Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                          Are you blessed with a teenage daughter by any chance, EA ... ?
                          She was a teenager once, and she did indeed say that on many occasions.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30250

                            What do people make of 'seeing as' (BBC News story 'But seeing as there are 132 rooms in total …')? I would use 'considering that' and don't really buy the explanation that people do a syllable count when deciding which to use - both have only a single stressed syllable, anyway ('sid'ring that'). I would have regarded it as an 'education marker' at one time but would it now be people's preferred phrase?
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Lat-Literal
                              Guest
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 6983

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              What do people make of 'seeing as' (BBC News story 'But seeing as there are 132 rooms in total …')? I would use 'considering that' and don't really buy the explanation that people do a syllable count when deciding which to use - both have only a single stressed syllable, anyway ('sid'ring that'). I would have regarded it as an 'education marker' at one time but would it now be people's preferred phrase?
                              "In view of the fact that" which isn't at all elegant but recognizes and conveys it unequivocally as solid truth rather than involving personal perspective.

                              (Sure there's a view but it is broad in application with the fact so emphasised that any concept of we/us would almost be in the fact's view - see also "in light of there being")

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                              • Pulcinella
                                Host
                                • Feb 2014
                                • 10892

                                Given that?

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