Phrases/words that set your teeth on edge.

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  • jean
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7100

    I can only see it enclosed in inverted commas.

    Which means, as I said earlier, that the BBC are no more using it than you are.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12788

      Originally posted by jean View Post
      I think you mean post-verbal adjunct (thanks Bryn).


      ... there weren't no sich animal when I were a lad - but I see that nous avons changé tout cela since my day.

      If I nipped up in to the loft and blew the dust off of my copies of Syntactic Structures and Aspects of the Theory of Syntax I might at least drag myself into the 1970s - but I'm not sure I'm brave enough...

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      • P. G. Tipps
        Full Member
        • Jun 2014
        • 2978

        Originally posted by jean View Post
        I can only see it enclosed in inverted commas.

        Which means, as I said earlier, that the BBC are no more using it than you are.
        I can only assume, therefore, that you are looking at a different page from me ...

        Visit BBC News for up-to-the-minute news, breaking news, video, audio and feature stories. BBC News provides trusted World and UK news as well as local and regional perspectives. Also entertainment, business, science, technology and health news.

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        • jean
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7100

          I was.

          On the one you link to, the word doesn't occur at all.

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          • jean
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7100

            Originally posted by jean View Post
            I wondered if the mishearing of big league as bigly might owe something to the American tendency to stress final syllables of phrases less than we do - give a damn, Little Rock - but Americans seem as confused about this meme (for that's what it is!) as we are, and they're used to those stress patterns.
            A comment on the site Bryn linked to makes the same point:

            Actually, thinking about it, the other idiosyncracy of Trump’s pronunciation is the stress pattern. Where an adjectival use would naturally (in my dialect) have stress on both words (“That is a BIG LEAGUE fastball”), Trump de-stresses league to the point where it sounds like a clitic or even a suffix (“They are ripping us BIGleague”). So league is short and unstressed and even more like -ly.

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            • P. G. Tipps
              Full Member
              • Jun 2014
              • 2978

              Originally posted by jean View Post
              I was.

              On the one you link to, the word doesn't occur at all.
              It does on my screen and I strongly suspect it does on those belonging to everyone else as well ... ?

              The headline reads .. 'If young people voted bigly, would it change everything ?'

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12788

                Originally posted by jean View Post
                A comment on the site Bryn linked to makes the same point:

                Actually, thinking about it, the other idiosyncracy of Trump’s pronunciation is the stress pattern. Where an adjectival use would naturally (in my dialect) have stress on both words (“That is a BIG LEAGUE fastball”), Trump de-stresses league to the point where it sounds like a clitic or even a suffix (“They are ripping us BIGleague”). So league is short and unstressed and even more like -ly.
                ... odd that someone who knows their clitics can't spell idiosyncrasy

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                • jean
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7100

                  Idiosyncracy is not a misspelling, it's a completely different word - it means rule by idiots, together.

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                  • vinteuil
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12788

                    Originally posted by jean View Post
                    Idiosyncracy is a completely different word - it means rule by idiots, together.


                    ... naughty, jean, naughty

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                    • jean
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7100

                      Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                      It does on my screen and I strongly suspect it does on those belonging to everyone else as well ... ?

                      The headline reads .. 'If young people voted bigly, would it change everything ?'
                      I suspect you haven't looked for a while. Now, it's all about Assange.

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                      • P. G. Tipps
                        Full Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 2978

                        Originally posted by jean View Post
                        I suspect you haven't looked for a while. Now, it's all about Assange.
                        I suspect you are just being very silly ...

                        I suppose one could term it as a 'sub-headline' but, then again, I never claimed it is the main headline.

                        I simply said it is on the website's first page. It still is, though as french frank correctly observed it mysteriously disappeared for a short period.

                        Maybe someone at the BBC is enjoying this little debate as much as we are ... ?

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30243

                          Screenshot taken a few minutes ago. The interesting point being not whether Trump said 'bigly' or 'big league' but that someone at the BBC immediately leapt on to it and used in a completely unrelated context:
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30243

                            According to the OED the adverb 'bigly' means:

                            'Loudly, boastfully; proudly, haughtily, pompously'

                            Most recent example:

                            1927 E. Thompson Indian Day xvii. 144 The same students who talked bigly among themselves of ‘Douglas’ and ‘Alden’ and ‘Jacks’.

                            It's particularly used with verbs of talking speaking.

                            [Political posts removed]
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • P. G. Tipps
                              Full Member
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 2978

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              According to the OED the adverb 'bigly' means:

                              'Loudly, boastfully; proudly, haughtily, pompously'

                              Most recent example:

                              1927 E. Thompson Indian Day xvii. 144 The same students who talked bigly among themselves of ‘Douglas’ and ‘Alden’ and ‘Jacks’.

                              It's particularly used with verbs of talking speaking.

                              [Political posts removed]
                              [Apologies, I should know better by now.]

                              As for 'bigly' the word certainly seems to fit the controversial figure under some discussion here. Absolutely perfect.

                              If he didn't say it he should have done.

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                              • jean
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7100

                                That particular example looks to me like a hypercorrection of the more usual 'talk big'.

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