Trump Golf Course Doc BBC2 Sunday, 21st Oct

[David-G]

This is ridiculous IMV
the windmills are rather beautiful
and actually contribute something (it's very windy there you know and they are at sea !!)
whereas the golf course is a simple act of arrogant destruction

Onshore wind farms may or may not be beautiful - (in my eyes they are hideous) - but they destroy the wildness of countryside, which is something that I greatly value.

[MrGongGong]

Onshore wind farms may or may not be beautiful - (in my eyes they are hideous) - but they destroy the wildness of countryside, which is something that I greatly value.

Hummmmm

It's interesting that when one walks in the "wild countryside" (particularly in Scotland) one is constantly tripping over the remains of all the places that people used to live, and not that long ago. The "wild countryside" is largely man made , we cut down the forests to build a navy and fuel the industrial revolution.

[Flosshilde]

Two windmills do not a windfarm make.

A wind small holding perhaps? or a wind allotment?

[Flosshilde]

Hummmmm

It's interesting that when one walks in the "wild countryside" (particularly in Scotland) one is constantly tripping over the remains of all the places that people used to live, and not that long ago. The "wild countryside" is largely man made , we cut down the forests to build a navy and fuel the industrial revolution.

Yes, & the hills were once more wooded than now, before sheep & deer ate the seedling trees )just look at areas thnat have been deer-fenced, & how much self-seeded & rfe-generated woodland there is, compared with the other side of the fence). & heather normally grows higher than the foot or two that is normally seen on the hills & moorland, if it isn'r burnt off to encourage the new sprouts that grouse eat. Much of the 'wild' landscaspe that one sees has been created by agriculture or careful management for 'sporting' interests.

[MrGongGong]

Yes, & the hills were once more wooded than now, before sheep & deer ate the seedling trees )just look at areas thnat have been deer-fenced, & how much self-seeded & rfe-generated woodland there is, compared with the other side of the fence). & heather normally grows higher than the foot or two that is normally seen on the hills & moorland, if it isn'r burnt off to encourage the new sprouts that grouse eat. Much of the 'wild' landscaspe that one sees has been created by agriculture or careful management for 'sporting' interests.

I blame Wordsworth (not the wonderful Barry )

[An_Inspector_Calls]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221277/Scottish-tourism-chiefs-admit-wind-farms-drive-holidaymakers-away.html

[scottycelt]

Hummmmm

It's interesting that when one walks in the "wild countryside" (particularly in Scotland) one is constantly tripping over the remains of all the places that people used to live, and not that long ago. The "wild countryside" is largely man made , we cut down the forests to build a navy and fuel the industrial revolution.

That's strange ...

I used to walk in the wilds of the Highlands of Scotland a lot and cannot remember ever once tripping over the remains of all the places people used to live not than long ago. All I ever came across were magnificent hills and mountains and beautiful lochs which would have been largely hidden from view in the old Caledonian Forest. There are, of course, the remains of the odd croft or two long deserted and just as likely to have been voluntarily evacuated (as in St Kilda due to the harsh conditions) rather than any action from historical equivalents of Trump. Some may have even (and did) become Trumps themselves in some far-flung corner of the British Empire.That is not to in any way to defend the Highkand Clearances, in case any wholly misguided member suggests as much.

Whatever our views, however, though it would be possible to disband the Royal Navy it might be somewhat more problematic to now decide to cancel the Industrial Revolution.

[MrGongGong]

There are, of course, the remains of the odd croft or two long deserted and just as likely to have been voluntarily evacuated (as in St Kilda due to the harsh conditions).

For a Scot you have an interesting take on Scottish History
I had forgotten that the highlands were "voluntarily" evacuated I vaguely remember something a bit more dramatic ? but I stand corrected
though I wonder why so many Scottish people went all the way to Canada when the conditions there are equally "harsh"

I do remember reading about the history of St Kilda which wasn't "evacuated" due to harsh weather but harshness from other places including the church (not yer man in Rome though )

[amateur51]

Now THAT is a principled stand.
Perhaps it could all be solved with a two way poll on Sky News. "windmills or golf? What do you think?"

Lovely stuff, ts!

[Flosshilde]

I blame Wordsworth (not the wonderful Barry )

And Queen Vic.

[amateur51]

And Queen Vic.

Are we talking Babs Windsor here?

Surely not

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Are we talking Babs Windsor here?

Surely not

They're back!

[scottycelt]

For a Scot you have an interesting take on Scottish History
I had forgotten that the highlands were "voluntarily" evacuated I vaguely remember something a bit more dramatic ? but I stand corrected
though I wonder why so many Scottish people went all the way to Canada when the conditions there are equally "harsh"

I do remember reading about the history of St Kilda which wasn't "evacuated" due to harsh weather but harshness from other places including the church (not yer man in Rome though )

Well, rather than just reading about it I got quite a bit of information from my long-departed granddad who had been on the islands and had talked to many of the inhabitants just before the main evacuation.

I think they were rather more concerned about being unable to scrape a living on St Kilda than discussing history and poltics and indeed some did indeed to go on to forge successful occupations and careers in Canada and elsewhere where opportunities abounded.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Donald Trump's very own mum originated from the Isle of Lewis.

I take a rather more balanced view of Scottish history, undoubted patriot though I am. Many previously deprived Scots probably behaved far worse than Trump ever has by eagerly exploiting from the old slave trade in the Americas, which is why so many black people are now blessed/stuck with some unmistakeably Scottish surnames!

[Flosshilde]

Are we talking Babs Windsor here?

Surely not

No, I don't quite see her trotting across the hills & heather on a pony.

[french frank]

"Donald Trump lawyers tried to stop BBC showing Scottish bullying film

• You've Been Trumped alleges bullying by US property magnate
• Fury at 'biased and manipulative' documentary on golf resort"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/22/donald-trump-bbc-film-row

"The BBC rejected the request and gave the documentary, directed by Anthony Baxter, its network television premiere. It was watched by an estimated 1.1 million viewers, about 40% higher than average figures for the last three months, and earned praise from reviewers, trending on Twitter."

"Sarah Malone, the executive vice-president of Trump International Golf Links, who featured in the film, said: "We totally denounce the BBC for further abandoning its own editorial integrity by blatantly refusing us a right of reply at the end of the broadcast last night.

"It just goes to show that recent criticism of the BBC's lack of sound editorial judgment to be correct. It is not a documentary – it is a piece of propaganda that is wildly inaccurate, defamatory and deliberately misleading."


"The film will be screened again on BBC2 on Tuesday night."