Plebs 1 Toffs 0

[amateur51]

Good to see some blunt facts, from PhilipT, on this thread.

Shame there's been nothing about rationality & religion from you tho Prof - how shocking to leave one as iggerant as I am in search of knowledge

[Serial_Apologist]

Shame there's been nothing about rationality & religion from you tho Prof - how shocking to leave one as iggerant as I am in search of knowledge

Mr Pee is back I see - all will soon I am sure be forthcoming

[amateur51]

Mr Pee is back I see - all will soon I am sure be forthcoming

Nice thought that

[amateur51]

But Harvey doesn't always make every point - nobody can.

It's this sort of highly-charged intellectual insight that I look to the Prof to provide. Nutwood is fortunate to have him on its staff

Sometimes it's worthwhile being iggerant

[Simon]

Shame there's been nothing about rationality & religion from you...

It's a complete waste of time communicating with you on any subject. Edit: As just now exemplified by the stupid post you have made above.

But as others have made reasoned contributions I hope to return to them his weekend.

[amateur51]

It's a complete waste of time communicating with you on any subject.

But as others have made reasoned contributions I hope to return to them his weekend.

You're not saying that your previous post was just boastful arrogance are you, Prof?

All sizzle and no sausage, some people

[heliocentric]

All sizzle and no sausage, some people

Oo, you are awful.

[french frank]

See my suggestion for a new sub-forum for debating serious, informed, rationally propounded political arguments ...

[ahinton]

Musing on the actual thread topic I found myself wondering how and why the "toffs vs. plebs" conflict has played out in the way it has within the Tory party. During the Thatcher years the plebs (like her and Tebbit) seemed to be in the ascendant, but now the toffs have reasserted their right to run the party (and, it seems, trample on the populace properly rather than in the vulgar and half-hearted way it was done in the 1980s). I imagine that one reason for this is that "New Labour" was a (successful) attempt to copy the look and feel (and policies) of the 1980s Tories, so that the latter were forced to mutate back into the atavistic class warriors we see today.

Ah, so you'd rather return to the days of Thatcher and Tebbit than put up with the current situation, then? Nice that you've made that much clear, at least!

[heliocentric]

Ah, so you'd rather return to the days of Thatcher and Tebbit than put up with the current situation, then? Nice that you've made that much clear, at least!

Don't be silly.

[french frank]

an agenda based on a belief that such "excessive" wealth shouldn't be concentrated in any individuals' hands at all.

I'm trying to find fault with that ...

[amateur51]

I'm trying to find fault with that ...

Now you come to mention it ...

[heliocentric]

It seems heliocentric has several criticisms of his ideas which he's choosing to ignore.

Even sock puppets have a life outside this forum, you know.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Sure, but "If we are to get back to three percent growth ..." is a quote from Harvey and Harvey hasn't plucked 3% from nowhere. The IMF didn't see western societies thriving on 2% or 1% growth - but I'd need to look the passage up in the book. Which I will try to do at some stage over the weekend.

Yes, I know, but read my point (4) then save yourself the time in the library. You're straining at a gnat.

[amateur51]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/au...dentity.health

http://www.hrreview.co.uk/hrreview-articles/health-safety/stress-levels-increase-as-uk-employees-work-more-hours-according-to-towers-watson-study/39039

There is plenty of evidence that working hours are tending to increase in recent times.

Cheers, ts - telling stuff. I'm not sure which planet the inspector is on