Dunces of illiberalism

[Serial_Apologist]

well just saying no isn't very powerful . At least I gave one example which suggests control.

Even if the government are utter philistines, which is quite possible, it's also true that their advisors might recognise the danger.They do have lots of highly educated advisors.

It's a long shot, but I broadly agree. We've seen too many programmes in which population mind fixers have "come out" and dished the dirt on their former employers not to know that this goes on all the time.

[teamsaint]

Orwell understood a lot.

It was the THOUGHT police who ran the show on the ground.

It was the written word that Winston Smith had to alter.
And it was the telescreen that was used to control.
He knew a lot about the way the world works, and how it would go.
And him an old Etonian........makes you wonder though, doesn't it?

[heliocentric]

it's also true that their advisors might recognise the danger. They do have lots of highly educated advisors.

And this is by no means some kind of "conspiracy theory", it's exactly the logical thing you'd expect the ruling class to do in order to preserve its position: educate the masses just enough for them to be useful, while convincing them that everything outside that purview (ie. which might activate their individual imaginations and thus give rise to the idea that fundamentally questioning the status quo is a completely reasonable rather than "extremist" thing to do) is not for the likes of them. It's not a secret; it goes on in broad daylight.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

the bankers and arms dealers . . . they sure don't want us following or understanding the likes of Shelley, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Turner etc.

Tripe.

[heliocentric]

Tripe.

A remarkably persuasive counterargument to be sure. How do you do it?

[John Shelton]

A remarkably persuasive counterargument to be sure. How do you do it?

A good old-fashioned education with exams twice a year, perhaps?

[David-G]

"Tripe"

A remarkably persuasive counterargument to be sure. How do you do it?

Perhaps a counterstatement rather than a counterargument.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

A remarkably persuasive counterargument to be sure. How do you do it?

Well I read Teamsaint's drivel and conclude it's juvenile cynicism from an academic failure.

I haven't followed this board for very long, but are Teamsaint, Serial Apologist and Heliocentric perhaps related?

[teamsaint]

I wonder what your definition of an academic failure is, AIC?
We academic failures should be a doddle to out argue. Or perhaps you only want to engage with academic successes..in which case, do let us know the criteria we need to fulfill.

Juvenile cynicism...well call it that if you want, you carry on believing what the people with the power tell you. That's a great system.

Edit: Its a shame that you don't really want to engage...because when you post something like this...

"I suspect the curriculum and specification of teaching methods has been introduced over the years as an attempt to counter an obvious declining standard of teaching ability." Quote...and are asked about where the evidence is, you don't seem to want to respond. Funny.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Edit: Its a shame that you don't really want to engage...because when you post something like this...

"I suspect the curriculum and specification of teaching methods has been introduced over the years as an attempt to counter an obvious declining standard of teaching ability." Quote...and are asked about where the evidence is, you don't seem to want to respond. Funny.

Maybe that's because you (and your sock puppets) lard your replies with cynical dross that gets in the way?

[teamsaint]

No, you just don't ever respond other than with another unsubstantiated assertion, and you don't actually reply to points made.

Where is the evidence about teaching standards.
What is, in your opinion, an academic failure ?
And since we were on the subject once, why do we have 20% of school leavers functionally illiterate and innumerate?
I would just like to know, as an academic failure. Perhaps you can educate me.

[Serial_Apologist]

A remarkably persuasive counterargument to be sure. How do you do it?

Maybe he eats it?

[Serial_Apologist]

are Teamsaint, Serial Apologist and Heliocentric perhaps related?

Not to my knowledge, but it's always nice discovering new relations!

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Not to my knowledge, but it's always nice discovering new relations!

Handbagged by Mr and Mrs Teamsaint . . .

[teamsaint]

Don't you just love those informed responses !