If you could wind back the clock ....

[John Shelton]

I live in London HS (which is certainly a University city) and I think you have a very jaundiced view of young people.

[zola]

Having come late to this thread, I'm very surprised that nobody has nominated ( I think ) the mobile phone. Not just the inane and intrusive chatter, the priority any message on the phone takes over all other face to face social intercourse, the incongruity of the biggest and most profitable companies in the world being devoted to this gadget. But the fact of always being on-call, always available, never off duty. And the deep suspicion with which one is regarded when completing any form these days and telling the questioner that one does not have a mobile phone !

[eighthobstruction]

I just wonder why after all the years of not really offering any comment on political matters; to any great extent, does Hornspieler suddenly give forth on a a subject that he seems to have an extremely narrow amount of evidence to call on; bar heresay, and limited first-hand anecdotal acquaintance (seemingly of the right type of person)....Your awareness seems very limited to certain types of person....Do your social contacts cover a broad spectrum Hornspieler??

....or have you been sucked into the arena by a seemingly inoccuous OP, promising easy going lists??....

[Hornspieler]

I just wonder why after all the years of not really offering any comment on political matters; to any great extent, does Hornspieler suddenly give forth on a a subject that he seems to have an extremely narrow amount of evidence to call on; bar heresay, and limited first-hand acquaintance (seemingly of the right type of person)....Your awareness seems very limited to certain types of person....Do your social contacts cover broad spectrum Hornspieler??

In a word - "Yes"

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...or have you been sucked into the arena by a seemingly inoccuous OP, promising easy going lists??....

In another word, "No"

I have no political interests at all - but I am interested in young persons' futures and have spent a considerable amount of my career in working with them. As for the evidence for my assertions, ask anyone who lives within a mile of Bournemouth "University" and they will tell you that the trouble and disruption, particularly at weekends, in the early hours, with dustbins thrown into the street, garden gates removed and carted off, screaming girls, shouting, deafening "music" and vomit all over the pavements is not the work of the local residents.

I say no more. Time to return to the OP and his rather less controversial quiz.

HS

[amateur51]

In a word - "Yes"

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In another word, "No"

I have no political interests at all - but I am interested in young persons' futures and have spent a considerable amount of my career in working with them. As for the evidence for my assertions, ask anyone who lives within a mile of Bournemouth "University" and they will tell you that the trouble and disruption, particularly at weekends, in the early hours, with dustbins thrown into the street, garden gates removed and carted off, screaming girls, shouting, deafening "music" and vomit all over the pavements is not the work of the local residents.

I say no more. Time to return to the OP and his rather less controversial quiz.

HS

Ah Bournemouth, you shoulda said - asking for trouble innit

[teamsaint]

so like a great big suburban bullington club then?

young people in this country have been hung out to dry by politicians (of a certain age.)
instead of blaming 21 year olds for getting an education they only way they see they can, and mortgaging their future at a desperately young age, we should be pointing the finger at the people who have brought this, and a feeble jobs market to pass.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

As for the evidence for my assertions, ask anyone who lives within a mile of Bournemouth "University" and they will tell you that the trouble and disruption, particularly at weekends, in the early hours, with dustbins thrown into the street, garden gates removed and carted off, screaming girls, shouting, deafening "music" and vomit all over the pavements is not the work of the local residents.

But this is how many young people choose to "enjoy" themselves nowadays, HS - they're not all following a Media Studies course, or indeed any University (or even "University") Course. You may as well nominate "The noisy way young people behave" and have done with it. Personally, as they will be responsible for clearing up the mess that our generation has bequeathed them, I don't much feel like condemning them too strenuously.

And so my nomination (with s to Alpie for the National Curriculum and Student Loans and to Flay for HIV/AIDS): the Credit Card.

[amateur51]

so like a great big suburban bullington club then?

young people in this country have been hung out to dry by politicians (of a certain age.)
instead of blaming 21 year olds for getting an education they only way they see they can, and mortgaging their future at a desperately young age, we should be pointing the finger at the people who have brought this, and a feeble jobs market to pass.

And who, if Gideon gets his way, will suffer the brunt of the additional £10bn off the welfare bill that he's announced for introduction after the next general election (no need to consult with LibDems, y'see ) by having their access to Housing Benefit cut because ... they should be living with their parents until they're over 25. That's a vote winner surely

Thatcher tried this in the 1980s and homelessness amongst young people skyrocketed - why, Sir George Young even had to step over their prostrate forms as he left the Royal Opera House - when will these people learn?

You don't think it could be because they don't give a tinker's cuss, do you?!

Or are they too stupid to know that it'll be a vote loser once the parents get wind of it?

[Mary Chambers]

Having come late to this thread, I'm very surprised that nobody has nominated ( I think ) the mobile phone. Not just the inane and intrusive chatter, the priority any message on the phone takes over all other face to face social intercourse, the incongruity of the biggest and most profitable companies in the world being devoted to this gadget. But the fact of always being on-call, always available, never off duty. And the deep suspicion with which one is regarded when completing any form these days and telling the questioner that one does not have a mobile phone !

It's quite simple. Switch it off.

A mobile phone is very, very useful if you aren't its slave. It can be a life-saver. I wouldn't be without it, but I only give my number to family and a few close friend.

I can't bear to see young mothers ignoring their babies and small children, though, while they chatter endlessly on their mobiles to their friends or gaze at their texts.

[Mary Chambers]

Mary, I missed it but my niece sent me this, embedded in this - I hope this cheers you up at least a little bit

Anyone in their right mind would miss it! I only read about it - quite enough. Thank you very much for the links. I had seen the Morley piece but not the James Rhodes one. Thank goodness people are writing these things.

One of the many alarming things about it is that from time to time they put a real musician in. Both Benjamin Grosvenor and Vasily Petrenko won awards (Petrenko, wisely, didn't attend the ceremony - he's won before and knows what to expect), but Grosvenor was there.

Andrew Lloyd Webber seems to know he isn't a serious composer. I remember someone asking him why he hadn't written a symphony and he said, "Oh, I don't think i'm good enough". Nevertheless, he goes along with all this nonsense. I suspect that the Russell Watsons of this world have no idea they aren't the real thing.

[eighthobstruction]

When I lived in Leeds, I couldn't tell the difference between Leeds Uni students and Leeds Metropolitan students (now Carnegie), even though the campuses were only 100 yards apart....they seemed to look the same....all 50,000 of them....

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I live in London HS (which is certainly a University city) and I think you have a very jaundiced view of young people.

A young person of my acquaintance was telling me the other day that she goes to a local University as a disabled person who 'they' are trying to get into work. She sends 500 letters of application per week as a requirement and rarely receives a reply. She knows of no-one in her group who has received an interview offer. But they're all carrying on this mad fandango because they're threatened with losing their benefits if they don't.

A Mad World, My Masters

I don't have a jaundiced view of young people, but I have an incredibly jaundiced view of the way many of them are brought up. There's absolutely no excuse for bad parenting. Those who are unfit to bring up children should not have them.

Simple.

But less so in practice, for there will always be that highly vocal group defending the ineptitude of such people, instead of protecting the potential victims before the damage is done.

[eighthobstruction]

Chastity type belts???....simple

[scottycelt]

...A young person of my acquaintance was telling me the other day that she goes to a local University as a disabled person who 'they' are trying to get into work. She sends 500 letters of application per week as a requirement ...

500 letters of application per week as a 'requirement' ... ?

Crikey, I never went to university myself, amsey, but I did achieve 'O' Level Arithmetic (Scottish Certificate of Education, no less ) and I can cunningly calculate that's one letter approx every twenty minutes, seven days a week?

Then there's all these trips to Rymans for paper, not to mention countless and expensive printer cartridges?

Outrageous!

A Mad World, My Masters

It is indeed, My Son ..

[eighthobstruction]

>>>>Those who are unfit to bring up children should not have them.<<<<

Indeed even 6' 6" NCO's from the Armed Services cannot stop the hordes, ....ever been to Aldershot/Catterick/Exeter High Streets on a weekend....

Reference Young people ordinaire....of course the cheap booze offers sold to them by 'adults' have nothing to do with the final results at chucking out time....and of course they are the lucky ones....what about the poor ol'glue sniffers trying 'to get out of it' because they are so far down the social pile they feel they have no hope....yep, there a broad ol'spectrum....