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  • Budapest
    • Jun 2024

    Hedges vs Obama

    You'd think that a lawsuit against the US President would be newsworthy, let alone a lawsuit against a federal law that allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial. This is one of the biggest news stories in modern history, yet not a mention of it in the mainstream media. The lack of reporting in the western media is perhaps the most worrying aspect of this (the media in countries like Iran and China have of course been having a field day with it).

    I talk of course of The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) 2012, and a very controversial clause, section 1021, that allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial. Earlier this year a group of concerned citizens, including journalist Christopher Hedges, activist and author Naomi Wolf and Noam Chomsky, filed a lawsuit against President Obama, claiming that NDAA Section 1021 was unconstitutional. As a result, Katherine Forrest, a New York District judge, ruled in May that section 1021 was 'facialy' unlawful (meaning that it appeared to be unlawful), adding that it could have a “chilling impact on First Amendment rights”. Obama/US Government lawyers immediately appealed against the ruling. The Guardian was about the only major newspaper to report it at the time:

    The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled

    To properly understand what Hedges & Co and Obama/US Government are arguing about, you need to see the relevent part of Section 1021 of NDAA 2012. The bold bits are mine:

    (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section
    is any person as follows:
    (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided
    the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001,
    or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
    (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported
    al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged
    in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners,
    including any person who has committed a belligerent act or
    has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy
    forces.
    (c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposition of a
    person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may
    include the following:
    (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until
    the end of the hostilities
    Hedges & Co are arguing that Section 1021(b)(2) contains language that is both broad and vague. What does “associated forces” and “substantial support” mean? (remember, something that’s written into law has to be very clearly defined, and on Capitol Hill they have teams of lawyers to do this) Who decides what construes “associated forces” and what “substantial support” actually is? What does “until the end of the hostilities” actually mean in the context of an endless ‘war on terror’? Hedges & Co believe this vague language leaves many people, including journalists, war correspondents, out-spoken activists and serious critics of US government foreign policy in real danger of harm and a fundamental loss of constitutionally guaranteed rights (this is for American citizens. Us lot in the rest of the world were straight in the gun sights, without any legal recourse, when the AUMF Act was passed shortly after 9/11).

    On September 12th, Judge Forrest gave her final ruling, saying that Section 1021(b)(2) of the National Defense Authorization Act was definitely unconstitutional. During the 12th September hearing, Judge Forrest kept trying to get the Obama/US Government lawyers to define what these terms actually mean, in exchanges such as this:

    Judge Forrest: Give me an example. Tell me what it means to substantially support associated forces.

    Government: I’m not in a position to give specific examples.

    Court: Give me one.

    Government: I’m not in a position to give one specific example.

    Judge Forrest: What does ‘directly supported’ mean?

    Government: We have not said anything about that in our brief.

    Court: What do you think it means?

    Government: . . . your Honor, we had focused so much on the phrase that was challenged by the plaintiffs, ‘substantial support’ that I have not thought through exactly and we have not come to a position on what ‘direct support’ and what that means.

    (source)

    Bear in mind that the lawyers acting for Obama and the US Government are highly skilled and highly paid. To put such vague language into a law could only be deliberate (Obama, who signed off the NDAA 2012 last New Year’s Eve, studied law at Harvard and is an expert on the American constitution). Ruling a federal law illegal is a big deal, so Judge Forrest kept trying to get the government lawyers to define “substantially supported”, such as by asking them if someone posting a YouTube video of a Taliban leader could be construed as ‘substantially supporting’ the enemy. Each time the government lawyers refused to give an answer. As part of the permanent injunction, Judge Forrest wrote: “This Court rejects the Government’s suggestion that American citizens can be placed in military detention indefinitely, for acts they could not predict might subject them to detention.”

    Within hours of Judge Forrest’s ruling, the Obama/US Government lawyers filed an appeal to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals; and that’s where it is at the moment. It will no doubt end-up in the Supreme Court, which will have the final say. It’s important to remember that while all this legal wrangling is going on, Section 1021 of the NDAA 2012 still stands as a law.

    The National Defense Authorization Act is a law that is passed each year by Congress. The NDAA sets out military expenditure for the coming year, and often contains other provisions, such as detaining people indefinitely without trial. It should be noted that both Republicans and Democrats voted overwhelmingly for the NDAA 2012. The NDAA 2013 is going through Congress as I write, and it contains exactly the same section about indefinite detention (the NDAA 2013 also gives the framework for a war with Iran). Once again, the millionaires on Capitol Hill are voting for it overwhelmingly. There’s every likelihood that Section 1021 of the NDAA has nothing to do with combating terrorism, and everything to do with a banking sector that’s wrecked the economy. The peasants are revolting and the millionaires on Capitol Hill need to be able to lock them up.

    When it comes to civil liberties, the US of A is presently about where Nazi Germany was in 1935.

    And with a few honorable exceptions, like the Guardian, the mainstream media are not reporting it.
  • teamsaint
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 25099

    #2
    I don't think that people have anything to worry about if they haven't done anything wrong !!

    Thanks for this very informative post Budapest.
    it was scary a while back, and its still scary now...as you suggest...follow the money !!
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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    • eighthobstruction
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 6227

      #3
      Yes, that's interesting....so is that action against JP Morgan....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19795646

      In the Hedges business I hope the Judge continues to press for answers....
      bong ching

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      • Budapest

        #4
        teamsaint and eighthobstruction, yesterday three judges from the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals (all appointed by Obama) put a hold on Judge Forrest's ruling that the NDAA Section 1021 was unconstitutional (see here), so it's still a law. I thought this case would get to the Supreme Court quite quickly, but the 2nd Circuit judges aren't going to give a final ruling until late December or in to January, which by funny coincidence is when many people think that the US budget deficit will fall off the cliff. Who knows.

        The lawsuit against JP Morgan seems to be interrelated (as indeed the Julian Assange stuff seems to be). It will be fascinating to see what happens in the JP Morgan case, since both Obama and Romney are bankrolled by Wall Street. In the meantime here's Chris Hedge's take on the American election:

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