Is Michael Gove as dangerous as he sounds?

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  • MrGongGong
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    • Nov 2010
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    Originally posted by BetweenTheStaves View Post
    Ah but he's starting from a firm foundation of havoc and mayhem created by the last Labour Govt..so he can hardly make things any worse.
    just watch

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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      • Nov 2010
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      Originally posted by BetweenTheStaves View Post
      Ah but he's starting from a firm foundation of havoc and mayhem created by the last Labour Govt..so he can hardly make things any worse.
      And what havoc and mayhem did the last Labour government create in the education system? For all the mistakes they may have made in their last two years in office, bungling in educational matters wasn't one of them.

      Perhaps the only mistake they made was to allow Chris Woodhead to continue for as long as he did, after being discredited. But they remedied this eventually.

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      • Globaltruth
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        • Nov 2010
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        Yeah but check this fine example out
        BECTA home page

        One of his first acts was to 'close down' BECTA - but as the latter half of the front page shows, the reality is that this may have happened in name, but in deed all that has happened is that the pesky BECTA posse have slide off to appear under other's auspices (and took their budget with them).

        Combine this with the BSF 'bull in a china shop' approach and the comment on young Gove's first terms report has to be:
        Must pay more attention to detail.

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        • MrGongGong
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          • Nov 2010
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          What the last Government DID do (and I'm no fan of either party !) was improve PRIMARY school education in the most difficult schools enormously. The schools which previously one would be very wary of working on have had massive improvements. This isn't really true of many secondary schools
          but most people involved in education know that the simple (but not cheap !) policy of reducing class sizes would have great benefits......

          All of the current Government probably spent their secondary school career in groups of 14 (or there abouts !) rather than groups of 30. It doesn't take a genius to work out that they will have had nearly TWICE as much input as those in groups of 30. Its not a hard thing to work out really.

          but what do Cameron and friends know of this ? (or the rest of them , for that matter........ nothing to do with the supposed differences between parties !)

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          • Globaltruth
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            • Nov 2010
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            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post

            (and I'm no fan of either party !) !)
            Snap -
            'No matter who you vote for, the government gets in'

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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              • Nov 2010
              • 20572

              Being pedantic, the word "either" would indicate that there are only two parties. There are quite a few more...

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              • MrGongGong
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                • Nov 2010
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                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                Being pedantic, the word "either" would indicate that there are only two parties. There are quite a few more...
                indeed you are right
                but its about a blue rizlas difference between them ?

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20572

                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  but its about a blue rizlas difference between them ?
                  And that is very sad. I detest yes-men.

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                  • teamsaint
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post

                    What the last Government DID do (and I'm no fan of either party !) was improve PRIMARY school education in the most difficult schools enormously. The schools which previously one would be very wary of working on have had massive improvements. This isn't really true of many secondary schools
                    but most people involved in education know that the simple (but not cheap !) policy of reducing class sizes would have great benefits......

                    All of the current Government probably spent their secondary school career in groups of 14 (or there abouts !) rather than groups of 30. It doesn't take a genius to work out that they will have had nearly TWICE as much input as those in groups of 30. Its not a hard thing to work out really.

                    but what do Cameron and friends know of this ? (or the rest of them , for that matter........ nothing to do with the supposed differences between parties !)
                    they don't know and they REALLY don't care.

                    And just to help things a bit, they have ofsted going round telling everyone that its the quality of the teaching that matters...not the size of the class.
                    This makes me wonder why private schools waste so much money on getting small class sizes !!

                    its all very sad.
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20572

                      The Olympics has proved to be a useful tool bury bad news - to cover up Michael Gove's ineptitude. He has announced that "Academies" can now appoint unqualified teachers:
                      "...so more schools can hire great linguists, computer scientists, engineers and other specialists who have not worked in state schools before."

                      One hopes that hospital surgeons will not be replaced by "great biologists, great seamstresses and great abbatoir workers".

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
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                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

                        One hopes that hospital surgeons will not be replaced by "great biologists, great seamstresses and great abbatoir workers".
                        Ooh I dunno - the last two categories could be quite useful. After all, I wouldn't want my brains to fall out having had an operation on them that wasn't stitched up properly; but, if that did happen, at least there'd be someone qualified on hand to mop them up.

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                        • amateur51

                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          Ooh I dunno - the last two categories could be quite useful. After all, I wouldn't want my brains to fall out having had an operation on them that wasn't stitched up properly; but, if that did happen, at least there'd be someone qualified on hand to mop them up.


                          As a student I had the privilege of attending several post mortems undertaken by the wonderfully theatrical Prof Keith Simpson who always wore a bowler hat whilst doing the carving.

                          Rumour had it that when asked why he wore his hat whilst working he replied "Well the bodies are kept refridgerated & it is rather cold" at which point he removed his bowler to revealed a perfectly bald head

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20572

                            Er... yes.

                            But what I cannot understand why an Oxygen Bandit can make a decision like this without parliamentary approval.

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                            • subcontrabass
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                              Er... yes.

                              But what I cannot understand why an Oxygen Bandit can make a decision like this without parliamentary approval.
                              Successive Education Acts (going back at least to the Thatcher era) have progressively given more and more power directly to the Secretary of State for Education (all in the name of devolving power to the lowest level).

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                Well it's certainly reached the lowest level.

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