Annoying R3 Trailers

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  • kernelbogey
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5753

    I believe the reason for this torrent of advertising - dons steel helmet before continuing to type - is the pressure the BBC is under not only from this current* government and its unruly backbenchers but from streaming sources (as well as, obviously, other terrestrial stations).

    Perhaps we old timers need to grit our teeth over this issue and remind ourselves that maybe the R3 management is doing its best for the station to survive.

    I'd rather have a BBC classical music station with lots of trails than no BBC classical music station!

    * other governments may shortly be available

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30329

      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
      Perhaps we old timers need to grit our teeth over this issue and remind ourselves that maybe the R3 management is doing its best for the station to survive.
      I'd come to exactly the opposite conclusion: that it was an all-out effort to reduce the audience to the point where they could safely change R3 into another popular music station ("No demand for classical music these days").

      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
      I'd rather have a BBC classical music station with lots of trails than no BBC classical music station!
      Sadly, I have moved beyond that point as it's actually classical music programmes which I find so banal. I didn't mind what jazz or world music programmes were like because I chose not to listen, but accepted that they had a legitimate place on R3. I don't feel that about some of the other offerings.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • DracoM
        Host
        • Mar 2007
        • 12978

        Try this station: https://areena.yle.fi/podcastit/ohjelmat/57-llL6Y4blL

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        • oddoneout
          Full Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 9218

          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
          I believe the reason for this torrent of advertising - dons steel helmet before continuing to type - is the pressure the BBC is under not only from this current* government and its unruly backbenchers but from streaming sources (as well as, obviously, other terrestrial stations).

          Perhaps we old timers need to grit our teeth over this issue and remind ourselves that maybe the R3 management is doing its best for the station to survive.

          I'd rather have a BBC classical music station with lots of trails than no BBC classical music station!

          * other governments may shortly be available
          In principle I still sort of agree, but am getting to the point where the combination of trails, increasingly flimsy programmes, evening concerts rarely of interest, is tipping me over the line into being a non-R3 listener much of the time. Then it would become something that I would mourn if it went completely but would have said my goodbyes some time ago, to join all those other things that were good and nice(or in many cases essential) to have, but which have been removed from our lives.
          It would be ironic(and rather sad I think) if what drags me into the modern way of doing things which threatens the BBC's future would be not the wish to have modern gadgets(the opposite in fact) but necessity due to lack of acceptable content. Lack of TV content isn't too much of an issue as I watch little now anyway(and hardly any of that is BBC), but lack of music is something else.

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          • smittims
            Full Member
            • Aug 2022
            • 4192

            I just wish Radio 3 management would come clean and tell us honestly just what they are up to with all this . I had hoped that 'Sam' would make some sort of statement. Of course, I know that nowadays this just doesn't happen, and that however they larded it with promises of openness it would be deceptive, ambiguous 'weasel words' , but I would like to hear them make some explanation . I mean, dash it all, we do pay for it (those of us with TV licences) .

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            • kernelbogey
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5753

              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              ....I'd come to exactly the opposite conclusion: that it was an all-out effort to reduce the audience to the point where they could safely change R3 into another popular music station ("No demand for classical music these days").
              I am sorry to read that you take that - to me - extreme position. It seems to me more like 'There's a tranche of the millennials' market that we're after in which there is some interest in 'classical tunes' '. This 'interest' is exhibited in Classical Fix'....

              But I confess that as I type this, I begin to lose the will to live. (And I haven't even had my first cup of tea yet.)
              Last edited by kernelbogey; 13-01-24, 09:34.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30329

                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                It seems to me more like 'There's a tranche of the millennials' market that we're after in which there is some interest in 'classical tunes'. This 'interest' is exhibited in Classical Fix'....
                And I agree with that aim. But if that were really the BBC's/R3's aim, they would play more classical music on the rest of the BBC's very extensive radio and television portfolio, not pathetically try to lure these millennials over to R3 by playing endless trails for R3 - on R3.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5753

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  ... not pathetically try to lure these millennials over to R3 by playing endless trails for R3 - on R3.


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                  • gradus
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5612

                    If only trailers were confined to R3, BBC tv is chock-full of them and they're infuriating.

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                    • Old Grumpy
                      Full Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 3619

                      Originally posted by gradus View Post
                      If only trailers were confined to R3, BBC tv is chock-full of them and they're infuriating.
                      I think if one watches on I-Player there is the facility to click past the trail and go straight to the beginning of the programme one wishes to watch.

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                      • James Wonnacott
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 248

                        I'm sorry to say that I've almost completely given up on Radio 3 and listen mostly to internet stations that play (almost) continuous classical music.
                        Replacing Catriona Young with yet another "young female" voice was the last straw. I listen mainly at weekends and it seems there is even more talk, e.g. "chatter matters", at weekends than during the week so I would get a few TTNs lined up to listen to.
                        Weekdays just seem to be full of "send us a tweet to let us know what you think" nonsense aimed at those who like to hear their name read out on the wireless.
                        I have a medical condition- I am fool intolerant.

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                        • LMcD
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2017
                          • 8489

                          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post

                          'Endless trails' indeed! I'm seriously thinking of abandoning my regular Sunday morning appointment with Martin Handley. This morning's programme comprised a large number of brief musical items and an equally large number of trails. There aren't that many daytime programmes left that haven't been blighted by this relentless self-promotion.

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                          • Kernow Malc
                            Full Member
                            • Oct 2018
                            • 56

                            I listened to a bit of Martin Handley this morning- fairly sure he needed to remind me that I was tuned to Radio 3 eirher side of one piece of music and then went on to a tweet.. at which point I turned off.

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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9218

                              Originally posted by Kernow Malc View Post
                              I listened to a bit of Martin Handley this morning- fairly sure he needed to remind me that I was tuned to Radio 3 eirher side of one piece of music and then went on to a tweet.. at which point I turned off.
                              Last week there were two ads less than 10 minutes apart - in the Afternoon Concert slot. Another example of the extent to which the name now bears little or no relationship to the content.

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26540

                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post

                                'Endless trails' indeed! I'm seriously thinking of abandoning my regular Sunday morning appointment with Martin Handley. This morning's programme comprised a large number of brief musical items and an equally large number of trails.
                                Yet to listen to today’s but yes, me too - my lingering allegiance to Martin H is also under threat from the rising tide of promo sludge
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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